Air Force Bashing

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Sickbird, it all comes down to this. I've gotten kicked out of more than a few Air Force Enlisted clubs for beating the heck out of those funny looking geeks with glasses. Heck, we used to make it a Saturday night event to go to the "Airman Club" (On Kadena) to pick up on the Air Force girls. Well, some little smart punk would try to challenge us, and we'd start a brawl.

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Holy smokes - that comment explains a lot! Being proud of beating up on "funny looking geeks?"

Sounds like there's a military branch full of pointy-hatted boys that need to outgrow the Junior high school bully mentality.


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Only someone that was bullied on would say that....

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Don't forget, most Airmen aren't front-line fighters by design. Like I alluded to earlier, they often function in a fairly protected environment by others who are trained to fight directly. That's teamwork on a large scale if you think about it. It's the 21st century; you aren't gonna win a war without the "geeks" nowadays.


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Yeah, but they could at least get some tough geeks....

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On the other side of the coin, you aren't going to win a war without a group of mentally immature, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing Gomer Pyles who will help shield the USAF glasses-wearing "Bill Gates" workers as they do their jobs. So I guess we'll keep you Marines around for a little longer...


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Teamwork indeed!!!

 

[mtsu_av8er]

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Is there really that much of an inter-service rivalry?


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Oh, yes! You'd be amazed!!!

The Air Force/Marine Corps rivalry come from the fact that the Marines are envious (not jealous) of the Air Force and their luxuries, and the Air Force knows that they wouldn't hack it for 3 hours in our beloved Corps...might break a sweat.

 

[mtsu_av8er]

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MTSU- Yeah there are some geeky folks in the AF, but with all the technology it goes with the territory.Luckily I wasnt in Kadena one of those nights!!!! I would have sent some Marine's home on stretchers

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It would have been nice to get a work-out for once...

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P.S. In my young days, at a certain base with very little privacy I would take girls into the Marine HQ bathrooms at night! The facility was closed, but boy was I scared to get caught by a group of Marines walking in there!!! I bet they would have killed me. A Air Force guy using their bathroom like a cheap hotel!!

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If you had shared, all would have been ok...we're not hard to bribe!!

 

[mtsu_av8er]

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There was a British squadron of Harriers at my base last month and those jets did not impress me very much. They fly slow, and look kind of homely.

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Say that when there isn't enough room to lay 10,000 feet of runway...

And, you know...I hate to break it to you...you can't dogfight at mach 2....

 

[Looking4Lower]

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Only someone that was bullied on would say that....

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Nice try, but not quite

. I would imagine that Bill Gates was bullied on back in the day, though. I wonder if those bullies have ever used Windows (or a computer for that matter)?

Speaking of sucess in life, the average "geek" Airman goes on to do very well in life after service in the USAF. Although MTSU and some of you other Marines have somehow -miraculously- moved on to be sucessful, new government statistics reveal these top-5 things that occupy Marines for the rest of their lives after discharge:

1) Bagging Groceries
2) Delivering Newspapers
3) Learning to read and write (high achievers go on to earn a GED)
4) Sitting and waiting patiently for evolution to provide them with opposable thumbs
5) Working daily with psychologists to deflate their monstrous egos and develop some intellect so they can function in the real world.

 

[mtsu_av8er]

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Only someone that was bullied on would say that....



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Nice try, but not quite

. I would imagine that Bill Gates was bullied on back in the day, though. I wonder if those bullies have ever used Windows (or a computer for that matter)?


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He can make all the money in the world, but when he goes to bed at night, he's still the guy that got bullied....

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Speaking of sucess in life, the average "geek" Airman goes on to do very well in life after service in the USAF. Although MTSU and some of you other Marines have somehow -miraculously- moved on to be sucessful, new government statistics reveal these top-5 things that occupy Marines for the rest of their lives after discharge:

1) Bagging Groceries
2) Delivering Newspapers
3) Learning to read and write (high achievers go on to earn a GED)
4) Sitting and waiting patiently for evolution to provide them with opposable thumbs
5) Working daily with psychologists to deflate their monstrous egos and develop some intellect so they can function in the real world.

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LOL....goot one! Too bad a huge chunk of fortune 500 companies are run by former United States Marines....

Wait....the bully-victims always use the "I'm smarted than you" defense when you're running home bloodied and bruised...

 

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And you assume the Marines is getting F/A-22s?

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Who's talking about the F/A-22??

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Well you mentioned the marines had harriers...well the air force is getting F/A-22s.

 

[mtsu_av8er]

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And you assume the Marines is getting F/A-22s?

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Who's talking about the F/A-22??

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Well you mentioned the marines had harriers...well the air force is getting F/A-22s.

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Please, use a capital when spelling Marines...

The Air Force is getting F/A-22's. The Marines have had harriers for over 20 years....lol.

And, by the way, there's a pretty good chance that the Marines could get the F/A-22's....if there's a need for them.

 

[ETAV8R]

Wow, where do I start?
Brian you should really have figured out to do some research before you spout off about the subjects you raise. This isn't the first time. Yes you are young but take the time to do some research. As Mtsu stated the Harrier has served the Marines well in the past 20 or so years it has been in service. F/A-22 for the Corps? Maybe, but we are counting on the JSF to replace the Harrier.

Someone commented about the CG. From what I know their boot camp is the second hardest next to the Corps (read Marine Corps). As far as AF PJ's go, yes their training is hard, very hard. It has to be to do the job they are called upon to do. Mtsu pointed out an important issue, the initial training for all Marines is demanding yet it is after this period where Marines differ. I was a "Winger" and I would bet money that Mtsu would have kicked my ass when I was with the wing. No argument there. Yet under fire I am sure all the wingers would have handled it much better than any AF other than PJ's or AFSF.

Yes there is inter-service rivalry as seen in this thread. Both my parents were AF officers and served for 20 years. My brother joined the navy. I decided to be the Marine in the family. A lot of people don't understand that the Corps has a lengthy history in our United States. We hold our heads high knowing for a fact that our service has helped the union from its beginings. Has the AF provided such service? I know the airplane was not invented at the time of our nations birth. Different missions, tactics, strategies, and mindsets carry on in each of our armed services. We are all on the same team but the rivalries will not cease.

I just love hearing people bash based on stereotypes. I know the AF has the nicest bases etc., I also know how my mother, a Lt.Col, feels about coming aboard a Marine base verses an AF base. She will choose the Marine base any day. The pride seen in the Corps shows. Spit and polish, pomp and circumstance, and attention to detail go a long way in showing pride and respect.

And if someone bothers to say if that is how she feels about the Corps then why was she in AF. She was a flight nurse. The wounded she took care of during the Vietnam war were not discriminated because they were not AF or navy or Marines. They were all U.S. fighting men who were in need of help. I am sure they all received equal care.

Rant Off

 

[mtsu_av8er]

Very well said, eta!!

 

[ETAV8R]

Oooh Rah

Thanks Mtsu. That made me think of something else I missed.
The esprit de corps that is ingrained within the Marines may
be one factor people in other services, and even those who
are not in the military, harbor resentment towards the Corps.

Semper Fidelis

 

[mtsu_av8er]

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The esprit de corps that is ingrained within the Marines may
be one factor people in other services, and even those who
are not in the military, harbor resentment towards the Corps.


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I think that's alot of it right there.

"Mama, I never knew Uncle Jack was in the Navy..."

You're never going to hear that about Marines. Samantha and I have talked about that a time or two...I think she's a bit of me and my Corps.

I've even had people ask me, "Dude, can't you let it go"? Well, no...I don't want to let it go.

You see, most people can't get over the fact that there is something greater than a sense of self. There is something bigger going on outside of your world. Air Force? "Me, Me, Me...nice base, Crew Rest". They epitomize the lack of something bigger. All of the other branches are that way, but the Air Force does it best!!

Once you can get over that, and you can put everything on the line so that the organization can be stronger....well, you've got bragging rights for life.

Oh, and it helps to be able to hold your own in a bar fight...

 

[SickBird]

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There was a British squadron of Harriers at my base last month and those jets did not impress me very much. They fly slow, and look kind of homely.

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Say that when there isn't enough room to lay 10,000 feet of runway...

And, you know...I hate to break it to you...you can't dogfight at mach 2....

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Thats what helicopters are for.

 

[mtsu_av8er]

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There was a British squadron of Harriers at my base last month and those jets did not impress me very much. They fly slow, and look kind of homely.

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Say that when there isn't enough room to lay 10,000 feet of runway...

And, you know...I hate to break it to you...you can't dogfight at mach 2....

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Thats what helicopters are for.

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Do you really believe that there are helicopters that can replace airplanes??

If that were the case, there would be no airplanes!! Helo's would have far more flexibility!!

 

[SickBird]

I am a little reticent to keep responding to this thread because in the end I don't really care what other serivce members think about my branch or anyone elses for that matter, but I have a lot of time on my hands this morning and I am curious as to when someone (re8va_ustm) will admit that my main point might actually be valid.

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Oooh Rah

Thanks Mtsu. That made me think of something else I missed.
The esprit de corps that is ingrained within the Marines may
be one factor people in other services, and even those who
are not in the military, harbor resentment towards the Corps.

Semper Fidelis

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Sounds to me like this is a typical Marines excuse to be an ignorant, cocky, [censored]. Do you really think the other services give two •s about your espirit de corps? The only time I think about Marines or other branchs of the military is when I either work with them, or when someone from another branch is talking [censored] about the Air Force. And the only time I get jealous of anyone in the military, is when they suit up and jump into the front seat of an aircraft.

Why do I not think about them? Because I know that 95% of the people in all services either joined the service because it would somehow benefit them in the long run, or they had nothing better going for them in the civilian world. And then you have the 5% that truly joined to serve thier country. Bottom line is I joined the branch that I thought was the best for me. It has turned out to be the best for me. And yes I can still serve my country honorably, and return home at the end of the day with a sense of pride in what I am doing.

So when I hear things like everyone in the service besides the Marines thinks it's all about me me me, I can't help but laugh because damn near everyone gets quite a few benefits from serving in the military and all are fairly compensated. If you want to go through life wanting to be [censored] on and treated like a bitch at every opportunity, well then don't join any U.S. service because they all treat thier poeple very well.

But i'll tell you that I am very happy with the branch I chose because I get treated very well, I get excellent benefits like 100% tuition paid for (besides books), I get time off from work every other day to go keep myself in the great shape that I am in already, when I deploy I don't spend much more time than 3 months in boring ass countries (that don't really have many hot ladies), I am encouraged to think for myself and solve problem on my own accord which fosters a healthy mindset for going back out in the civillian world and gives me a greater sense of accomplishment when problems are overcome, I would like to fly the best aircraft in the world someday and if I choose to become an officer, the Air Force is the harbinger of state of the art equipment and training, I do the job I signed up to do back at MEPS, even when I deploy (if you don't count the additional duties wrought upon me), I can jump on a Space-A flight anytime I please and go experience new parts of the world, for free.

I could keep on going but as you can see I am happy enough with the choice I made to join the Air Force that I don't really spend any time being jealous of the Marines espirit de corps, or the Navy's outstanding food, or the Coast Gaurds stash of pot they confiscated, and I sure as hell don't care to troll aviation forums all day long with fatuous attempts at gouding people into thinking one branch is better than the other. The best branch for each person is going to be different for everyone, hell any one of the branch's would be a terrible choice for some poeple!

In the end, everyone in the military serves thier country to some extent. How much depends on the individual, not the service. I thank anyone who has, does, or will serve our country with integrity, honor, and pride. And I hope that there isn't any doubt in YOUR mind that you chose the best branch of service that is best for YOU. We just don't need to hear closed minded opinions on why one branch is the best for everyone. I don't care what gunny pounds into your head, they all are great.

Have a good day!

 

[SickBird]

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There was a British squadron of Harriers at my base last month and those jets did not impress me very much. They fly slow, and look kind of homely.

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Say that when there isn't enough room to lay 10,000 feet of runway...

And, you know...I hate to break it to you...you can't dogfight at mach 2....

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Thats what helicopters are for.

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Do you really believe that there are helicopters that can replace airplanes??

If that were the case, there would be no airplanes!! Helo's would have far more flexibility!!

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No, what I meant was helicopters are the replacement for the Harrier when the order of the day is negligable runway length. But how often have you seen a Harrier land anywhere but an improved air field that could support most other fighters?

 

[mtsu_av8er]

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I am a little reticent to keep responding to this thread because in the end I don't really care what other serivce members think about my branch or anyone elses for that matter, but I have a lot of time on my hands this morning and I am curious as to when someone (re8va_ustm) will admit that my main point might actually be valid.

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Oooh Rah

Thanks Mtsu. That made me think of something else I missed.
The esprit de corps that is ingrained within the Marines may
be one factor people in other services, and even those who
are not in the military, harbor resentment towards the Corps.

Semper Fidelis

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Sounds to me like this is a typical Marines excuse to be an ignorant, cocky, [censored].

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And we have a right to be cocky...When you're the best (combat tested, battle proven, respected worldwide, endorsed by Air Force wives in every state!!), you can be that way!

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Do you really think the other services give two •s about your espirit de corps?


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We know that the other branches don't care...that's why they'll never be like the Marine Corps. "It's all about me. Semper I, Screw the other guy!!"


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The only time I think about Marines or other branchs of the military is when I either work with them, or when someone from another branch is talking [censored] about the Air Force.


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Fair enough...we really don't like you guys, either....really.

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Why do I not think about them? Because I know that 95% of the people in all services either joined the service because it would somehow benefit them in the long run, or they had nothing better going for them in the civilian world.


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Some of us jointhe service to [gasp] serve....strange concept, I know....

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And then you have the 5% that truly joined to serve thier country. Bottom line is I joined the branch that I thought was the best for me.


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Really, I'm glad that you actually have the intestinal fortitude that you joined the Armed Services for yourself! I have no doubt that alot of folks join the military so that they can benefit.

However, there are still lots of fine Americans that joint the military in an effort to serve. They do their service, and they do the best that they can. After that, they leave!

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It has turned out to be the best for me. And yes I can still serve my country honorably, and return home at the end of the day with a sense of pride in what I am doing.


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Can you really wear that Greyhound Uniform and be proud??

(Sorry, bro...I had to...you walked into that one)

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So when I hear things like everyone in the service besides the Marines thinks it's all about me me me, I can't help but laugh because damn near everyone gets quite a few benefits from serving in the military and all are fairly compensated.


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Oh, stop...you Air Force guys started the "We get more" stuff....


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If you want to go through life wanting to be [censored] on and treated like a bitch at every opportunity, well then don't join any U.S. service because they all treat thier poeple very well.

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Huh? Ever been on a ship, flyboy?


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I get time off from work every other day to go keep myself in the great shape that I am in already . . .

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Shouldn't that be a part of the work day?

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. . .when I deploy I don't spend much more time than 3 months in boring ass countries (that don't really have many hot ladies) . . .

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What if you're needed in that country? Does QOL take priority over mission accomplishment? Would that have worked in WWII?

Oh, wait...there was no Air Force in WWII....

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. . . I am encouraged to think for myself and solve problem on my own accord which fosters a healthy mindset for going back out in the civillian world . . .

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Quite frankly, I'm not concerned with the civilian transition.

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That's what the obstacle course is for, kid! Anybody can "problem solve" in a nice, air conditioned building. Grab a machine gun, grab a pack and grab 400 rounds of ammo. We're going on a little run...

That'll give you a sense of accomplishment.

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. . .I would like to fly the best aircraft in the world someday . . .

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The best aircraft for which mission? Is the F-15 the best mission for carrier operations? "Best" is pretty subjective, don't you think?

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and if I choose to become an officer, the Air Force is the harbinger of state of the art equipment and training . . .

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Not exactly toughness, though...eh?

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I do the job I signed up to do back at MEPS, even when I deploy . . .

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Who doesn't?

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I can jump on a Space-A flight anytime I please and go experience new parts of the world, for free.

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So can every single person in the military....even the reserve and guard.

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. . . don't really spend any time being jealous of the Marines espirit de corps, or the Navy's outstanding food, or the Coast Gaurds stash of pot they confiscated, and I sure as hell don't care to troll aviation forums all day long with fatuous attempts at gouding people into thinking one branch is better than the other.

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You're the one that made this long post about the Air Force, talking about how much you don't care for the Corps....

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We just don't need to hear closed minded opinions on why one branch is the best for everyone.
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You're 100% right. Please, stay in your Air Force...we neither need, nor want you. . .

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Have a good day!

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Please, end a military conversation with something strong and military-like, such as : "Over" or "Out", or "Ooh-Rah"

Good day? Is this the military or Sears??

 

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Your replies are childish at best and complete opinion. I also see that you take just about everything I say out of context like thinking this post was anti Marine when I stated many times, each service is only the best for certain individuals. Although I must admit this is great entertainment watching someone who looks to be at least in his 40's arguing on a grade school level!

 

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You would probably like the Air Force more if you were getting your ass kicked by a group of rebels, and a A-10 came in and saved your ass with some wicked CAS......


yeah alot of people in the AF are pus@^*#$, but from the jobs they do, they relly have no reason to be a bad ass



I have respect for the marines that goe through the hell at boot camp! I could never compare, so I'm really not sure how the AF guys would do. NOW......I will say all the aviators could,anybody that has been through SERE school in Washington were subjected to much of the same punishment the Marine's get. Maybe even more, as last time I checked there wasnt much physical abuse in the Marine bootcamp. I will say going through SERE training and passing with flying colors, is what I am most proud of in the AF when it comes to training accomplishments

 

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Your replies are childish at best and complete opinion.

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Well, it's all a matter of opinion, right? Childish....hmmm, I call it fun. What was childish about what I said?

How old are you? How long have you been in the Air Force? You're getting pretty defensive....



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. . .each service is only the best for certain individuals.


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Believe me, you sick bird (pun intended...

), I agree with you completely!



[/ QUOTE ]Although I must admit this is great entertainment watching someone who looks to be at least in his 40's arguing on a grade school level!

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Why is it on a grade school level? I call it discussing, first of all...and you're getting pretty defensive!! I'm smiling, and enjoying the conversation! Relax! Have some fun! Take a breath, and think about your happy place (probably work...).

Now, tell me, what was childish about my replies?

By the way, I'm not in my fourties....that hurt my feelings.

Feel better? I can be sensitive, too!!