Air Force Bashing

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Would anyone be interested in interservicegrudgematch.com?
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Hell yeah, as long as MTSU isnt a Mod!!!! Just kidding, I love the idea, and think Lloyd should have some power over there
 
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See you do want to be a Marine. I bet you have watched that movie more times than I have seen Full Metal Jacket.
Mtsu who would have guessed.
Envy. Full of envy. Do you think he secretly has a set of blues he bought from a surplus store?
Dare I say what happens to people who dress as Marines who haven't earned the title? Mmmm, not good.

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I dont wear the "whole" uniform. You see if I don't put any pants on then I am not trying to imporsonate anyone. I mostly just jump around on my bed in full Marine dress regalia sans pants and I swing the sword through the air and pretend like I am playing Dungeons and Dragons. Already im like a level 45 Marine ground troop with partial immunity to small arms fire and Utah beer. I also have attributes like I can see in the dark.
 
Holiest of crap that image is hilarious! I have no idea what you look like but the thought of someone doing that is funny none-the-less.
D and D. I bet some people here (thread starter) don't understand that reference.
Good times!
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Any room for a squid in here? I gotta give a shout out for the Navy.
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Need something moved from the U.S. Midwest to the Middle East in a matter of hours? USAF.


[/ QUOTE ]That may involve the people and some of your lighter equipment, but you still need USNS ships of the Military Sealift Command to do the "heavy" lifting. What good are the people getting there in a matter of hours if all they have to fight the enemy with is harsh language? From the MSC website:
"The mission of Military Sealift Command is to provide ocean transportation of equipment, fuel, supplies and ammunition to sustain U.S. forces worldwide during peacetime and in war for as long as operational requirements dictate. During a war, more than 95 percent of all equipment and supplies needed to sustain the U.S. military is carried by sea."
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Duh, we're Marines and we'll march to Iraq from camp Pendleton, Guh!! There's an ocean in the way? Uhhhhhh, I know! Let's ride on a ship and we'll be there in no time, Doy! Sure....sailing was slow when Christopher Columbus did it and it's still slow today.


[/ QUOTE ]Duh, Marines are ALREADY at the hot spots due to the services of the U.S. Navy. We know sailing is slow, that is why Cold war, Hot war, no war, the Navy and the Marines have always been and will continuously be on deployment. We don't ramp up only at the beginning of a war. At the very least, there are two Carrier Battle Groups and two Amphibious Ready Groups (each carrying a full Marine Expeditionary Unit) with their attendant defense and support ships on station in various parts of the world at all times. Squids and Jarheads have always had to deal with deployments whether in peacetime or not. You can take comfort in knowing that a battle group is always out there ready at the beck and call of the CiC. Why is it they always say that when an international crisis breaks out, the first question a president asks is "Where are the carriers?"

Also, when downed F-16 pilot Scott O'Grady needed rescue out of Bosnia they didn't call the Army or his fellow Air Force compadres but Marines off of the USS Kearsarge (LHD 3). Need embassies evacuated or American citizens rescued from hostile countries? Your looking for the nearest Amphibious Assault Ship. Sounds like having that slow but ready and capable ship on station beats that fast jet from the states any day. From one of Scott O'Grady's fellow F-16 pilots:
"So we got one of our own back. What a day. I wish we could have done more in the rescue but it was almost entirely a Navy and Marine show (we and the mud-eagles were in the cap) and they kicked ass. So don't bad mouth the squids and jarheads too loudly - they put on a good act today and we've got a Viper driver back because of it."

Not trying to bash you or anything, Looking4. Just getting the facts straight about Naval operations.
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By the way, I salute anyone who has served this country no matter which branch or what reason simply for the fact of doing a job vital to this country's welfare, taken for granted by many, and unwilling to be taken on by the majority of Americans.
 
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Any room for a squid in here? I gotta give a shout out for the Navy.
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Always room for a Squid, Bro!! You may be squidly, but you get us where we need to go, and that's enough!!

Well sai,d by the way....
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Any room for a squid in here?

Not trying to bash you or anything, Looking4. Just getting the facts straight about Naval operations.
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By the way, I salute anyone who has served this country no matter which branch or what reason simply for the fact of doing a job vital to this country's welfare, taken for granted by many, and unwilling to be taken on by the majority of Americans.

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There's always room for one more in the mix, and don't worry about bashing on me! If we all push each others' buttons enough, we can get this thread into the double digits!
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Anyways, sure, it's nice when you can have ships posted around the world but you can't cover ALL your bases like that and you will always need to move stuff QUICKLY and FLEXIBLY. You've got a lot more than "harsh language" when nowadays you can pack an M1 tank, artillery, etc. into the back of a C-17 and drop them off near the action...and I'm sure there's lots of Army Airborne units that might take issue with that statement, too!
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And as for Scott O'Grady? Yeah, I don't know why the Marines did that one, I wish I knew more details of how that operation played out. I suppose that the Jarheads were in the right place at the right time (just like job-hunting; sometimes the most "convenient" candidate gets the job instead of the more qualified candidate). There's USAF CSAR rescue units with helos and PJs that are a zillion times more qualified to pull that off...
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You may be squidly, but you get us where we need to go, and that's enough!!

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"You get us where we need to go?" See you in a couple weeks, fellas.

When you get here, the USAF will already be settled in, complete with forward operating bowling alley, cable TV with leather loungers, BX/PX, full air conditioning, and the steaks will be sizzlin' at the chow hall where somebody will come pick up your tray!!!!
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the steaks will be sizzlin' at the chow hall where somebody will come pick up your tray!!!!
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[/ QUOTE ]Hey Looking4, I guess the Nav is starting to catch up a tiny bit to you AF guys QOL issues. When I got out in 2003, the Navy was starting to have a lot more civilian contractors especially on base where, yes, someone did come and pick up your tray at the base mess hall.
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We actually tried that on the ship's mess decks on one of my deployments. Didn't work out. On a ship you need to feed as many people as you can in a limited amount of time in a limited amount of space. In those situations you need every help you can get in cleaning up tables so the next guy can sit down, and the best way to do that was to have whoever brought that tray to the table in the first place take it themselves to the scullery.

Oh and as far as steaks go, we had steak and lobster dinners aboard ship too. That was when you knew we were about to go up tempo and things were going to get hairy (esp. for the grunts embarked). Morale booster thing, you know.
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You may be squidly, but you get us where we need to go, and that's enough!!

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"You get us where we need to go?" See you in a couple weeks, fellas.

When you get here, the USAF will already be settled in, complete with forward operating bowling alley, cable TV with leather loungers, BX/PX, full air conditioning, and the steaks will be sizzlin' at the chow hall where somebody will come pick up your tray!!!!
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Well, if luxury was the misson of the day...
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And as for Scott O'Grady? Yeah, I don't know why the Marines did that one, I wish I knew more details of how that operation played out. I suppose that the Jarheads were in the right place at the right time (just like job-hunting; sometimes the most "convenient" candidate gets the job instead of the more qualified candidate). There's USAF CSAR rescue units with helos and PJs that are a zillion times more qualified to pull that off...
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I know exactly how the Marines pulled that one off, and personally know several of the folks involved in that op (including the hard charging crew chief that carried Capt O'Grady into the back of that 53). Why did they do it? Because that's one of the mission of the Corps. While there may have been lots of people that are a "zillion times more qualified", it was the Marines that were ready, on station, in the middle of the night, to recieve the frag and act on it.

Who else has an infantry battalion, cobra gunships and 53's on station, ready to go into harms way?
 
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And as for Scott O'Grady? Yeah, I don't know why the Marines did that one, I wish I knew more details of how that operation played out. I suppose that the Jarheads were in the right place at the right time (just like job-hunting; sometimes the most "convenient" candidate gets the job instead of the more qualified candidate). There's USAF CSAR rescue units with helos and PJs that are a zillion times more qualified to pull that off...
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That group of Marines from the Kearsarge were simply performing one of their assigned missions: TRAP, or Tactical Recovery of Aircraft and Personnel. Marines are trained to do Combat SAR with H-53s and H-46s, along with the AH-1s and AV-8s for support. When they deploy on these LHA/LHD/LPH ships (small carriers), that is one of the dedicated missions they train for, and they have personnel dedicated to that duty.

So in short, the USAF isn't really a zillion-times more qualified to do that job. In fact, there's not a hell of a lot of H-60 units in the AF to pull that mission off; and the special ops command H-53s view combat rescue as a secondary role.
 
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Oh and as far as steaks go, we had steak and lobster dinners aboard ship too. That was when you knew we were about to go up tempo and things were going to get hairy (esp. for the grunts embarked). Morale booster thing, you know.
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Marines enjoying lobster dinners?
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Now I'm confused and dissolutioned about the world I live in.

They'll probably never admit that they ate lobster,though. Gotta keep up the tough-guy persona. Well, they might admit to eating it if it came in MRE form (I propose Menu #25, Lobster Medallions w/Meat Sauce and Accessory packet "B" on the side) :

http://www.dscp.dla.mil/subs/rations/meals/mres.htm
 
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So in short, the USAF isn't really a zillion-times more qualified to do that job. In fact, there's not a hell of a lot of H-60 units in the AF to pull that mission off; and the special ops command H-53s view combat rescue as a secondary role.

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Shhhhhhhhh! I was going for the whole "inter-service rivalry" thing and you went and ruined it!
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So in short, the USAF isn't really a zillion-times more qualified to do that job. In fact, there's not a hell of a lot of H-60 units in the AF to pull that mission off; and the special ops command H-53s view combat rescue as a secondary role.

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Shhhhhhhhh! I was going for the whole "inter-service rivalry" thing and you went and ruined it!
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I have to maintain some semblance of peace here. Or else we'll have the Marines vs Air Force brawl we almost had a few weeks ago.....that I had to quash.
 
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I have to maintain some semblance of peace here. Or else we'll have the Marines vs Air Force brawl we almost had a few weeks ago.....that I had to quash.

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Come on, would that really have been a fight? Slide rule versus A$$-whippin'??

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That group of Marines from the Kearsarge were simply performing one of their assigned missions: TRAP, or Tactical Recovery of Aircraft and Personnel. Marines are trained to do Combat SAR with H-53s and H-46s, along with the AH-1s and AV-8s for support. When they deploy on these LHA/LHD/LPH ships (small carriers), that is one of the dedicated missions they train for, and they have personnel dedicated to that duty.

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Pssst....Whoda thunk it?
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That group of Marines from the Kearsarge were simply performing one of their assigned missions: TRAP,
Pssst....Whoda thunk it?
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Fine...but if I was down I'd still feel better knowing some PJs were coming for me. I know enough about those guys to appreciate what they are capable of.

But then again, If I was down I would welcome the sight of anybody wearing a U.S. flag on their uniform!
 
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