AIN/Bob Hoover honoring a scab!

[jynxyjoe]

I do not understand this way of thinking. I accept that my viewpoints are different than yours and further discussion is moot, so I will bow out of the thread since I clearly do not "understand" the system.

Wise.

Scabs are theives, they rob bread from our childrens mouths, I think they'd be happier and we'd be happier if they quit flying professionally and hid somewhere. They won't because they are convinced that the world is a horrible place and the only way to "win" is to be the most horrible human possible. If there is a hell, certainly one of the deepest rings has a table reserved for them. Whatever workplace retribution is exacted is a small crime next to the abhorrence that is scabbing.

 

[FlyingAccountant]

Wise.

Scabs are theives, they rob bread from our childrens mouths, I think they'd be happier and we'd be happier if they quit flying professionally and hid somewhere. They won't because they are convinced that the world is a horrible place and the only way to "win" is to be the most horrible human possible. If there is a hell, certainly one of the deepest rings has a table reserved for them. Whatever workplace retribution is exacted is a small crime next to the abhorrence that is scabbing.

Then again, it's hard to take you seriously when you engage in this sort of hyperbole.

 

[BajtheJino]

the union workers were some of the laziest people I ever worked around

Well, yeah. They joined a union. They don't have to do jack anymore except show up and make it through recurrent.

I hate scabs.
Well, I hate them more.
Well I hate them more than you.
Durka dur!

 

[jynxyjoe]

Then again, it's hard to take you seriously when you engage in this sort of hyperbole.

I have vastly different opinions of scabs than you.

 

[jynxyjoe]

Well, yeah. They joined a union. They don't have to do jack anymore except show up and make it through recurrent.

I hate scabs.
Well, I hate them more.
Well I hate them more than you.
Durka dur!

Bango mango!

I can only speak to the avation side of things, but I've been fairly disappointed with the attitudes of union machinist... until i saw the non union guys. Building airplanes ain't digging trenches but my Lord has some of the non union "shop" work been disasterous.

Olive and her husband learned the hard way what a scab workforce does to the quality of airplanes manufactured back in the Beech aircraft days.

Sometimes slow and steady wins the race, but you're talking to a guy who was rushing around so often in a test i got all of pratt and whitney to drop their wrenches. Very embarrassing, but the guy warned me once or twice and I didn't listen. I was the stupid contract help.

Bull in a China shop; but if you asked the young me I had a 100% chance of getting laid if i could just get those tests done and get back home. Outcome? Still got what i wanted even though i didn't make it home. Why did i tell you this story? So i could tell a joke: old bull and young bull are walking through a pasture and spot a bunch of cows. The young bull excitedly explains they need to run down there and mate with a cow. The old bull says, lets walk and we'll mate with them all.

Im here all week. Tip your waitstaff, and slash that scabs tire, his license plate number is F56-HU1 its the green Subaru- *yanked off stage by cane*

 

[Cptnchia]

Wise.

Scabs are theives, they rob bread from our childrens mouths, I think they'd be happier and we'd be happier if they quit flying professionally and hid somewhere. They won't because they are convinced that the world is a horrible place and the only way to "win" is to be the most horrible human possible. If there is a hell, certainly one of the deepest rings has a table reserved for them. Whatever workplace retribution is exacted is a small crime next to the abhorrence that is scabbing.

Then again, it's hard to take you seriously when you engage in this sort of hyperbole.

Jack London said it best:

The Scab
by Jack London, (1876-1916)



After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab.

A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue.

Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles.

When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out.

No man (or woman) has a right to scab so long as there is a pool of water to drown his carcass in, or a rope long enough to hang his body with.

Judas was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his master, he had character enough to hang himself. A scab has not.

Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage.

Judas sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver.

Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British army.

The scab sells his birthright, country, his wife, his children and his fellowmen for an unfulfilled promise from his employer.

Esau was a traitor to himself; Judas was a traitor to his God; Benedict Arnold was a traitor to his country.

A scab is a traitor to his God, his country, his family and his class.

Author --- Jack London (1876-1916)

 

[pete2800]

Then again, it's hard to take you seriously when you engage in this sort of hyperbole.

What hyperbole?

 

[jynxyjoe]

What hyperbole?

I honestly thought I was being polite.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

I've seen the list pulled out. I've quietly asked the captain, "did you check the scab list?" And, get called into a disciplinary hearing with a union rep, and they sit there quietly, but they were then present at the meeting. That's not denying them anything. Then, they can throw up their hands at the end of the meeting and say "there isn't anything we can do." And all because you decided to help a scab.

You don't get it. You are listening to respond, not to understand here. But go ahead, keep doing what you're doing. I'm sure the guys below you won't mind moving up a number when the union does a "bad" job at defending/helping you. By not denying someone a seat who you know is a scab, you put your integrity, and your whole pilot group and union representation integrity into question.

All this boo hoo over a jumpseat topic --- which you've agreed asides from the silent treatment, is about the most legal thing you can do without harassment, breaking laws, violating HR rules, etc. And unless the FO snitches, how would anyone know if a scab was being allowed to JS, other than the two operating pilots. And of course that also assumes they have and pull out the scab list to check. I actually question the plausibility of the scenario you're painting.

And even after all that, you yourself admit you've never had a scab come across your jumpseat. Most of the 80s (which seems to be the overwhelming bulk) scabs are retiring, close to retiring, retired, or flown west.

 

[NickH]

Wise.

Scabs are theives, they rob bread from our childrens mouths, I think they'd be happier and we'd be happier if they quit flying professionally and hid somewhere. They won't because they are convinced that the world is a horrible place and the only way to "win" is to be the most horrible human possible. If there is a hell, certainly one of the deepest rings has a table reserved for them. Whatever workplace retribution is exacted is a small crime next to the abhorrence that is scabbing.

That would be the Ninth, and deepest Circle of Hell, where punished are sinners guilty of betraying those closest to them. While I don't believe in Sin, I'm comforted by the idea that I'd get to spend my afterlife flying around the second circle. I do enjoy my Dante.

 

[Flying Saluki]

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I wonder if Hoover knew/remembered he was a scab before he did this. Kind of changes the way I feel about him now.

You don't have to go fishing with the man, but you can't deny that he has made many contributions to aviation, not the least of which is employing who-knows-how-many pilots over the years.

 

[mshunter]

You don't have to go fishing with the man, but you can't deny that he has made many contributions to aviation, not the least of which is employing who-knows-how-many pilots over the years.

He's lied, cheated and stolen his way through aviation. And I'm a local Van Nuys boy. He treats his pilots like crap, and pays the same.

 

[jweldon]

Here's a fact about her being a scab. Had she not crashed, had she lived and been alive today, she'd be an uber senior SWA Captain sitting left seat of a Boeing 737 paying dues as a SWAPA pilot.

"Air Tran" seniority was stapled under SWA, IIRC. Pay was integrated

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

"Air Tran" seniority was stapled under SWA, IIRC. Pay was integrated

Not all of them. It was pretty bad though, I think this is what happened:

The top 1,646 slots go to SWA pilots.
The next 116 AirTran captains are ratio'd with the next 725 SWA pilots.
The next 208 AirTran captains are ratio'd with the next 1351 SWA pilots.
The next 581 AirTran captains are ratio'd with the next 2018 SWA pilots.
The first 142 AirTran FOs are ratio'd with the next 142 SWA pilots.
The rest of the 649 AirTran FOs are stapled to the bottom of the SWA FO list.
The pilots hired at SWA after the merger was announced are next.
The pilots hired at AirTran after the merger was announced are next.
The pilots hired at both carriers after the transaction closed on May 2 are in DOH order at the very bottom.

 

[jweldon]

Wasn't there something on here about one of them not actually knowing it was struck work they were flying, then removing himself from the rest of the trips when he found out?

The hilarious saga of Onno Bulk! They found his home address...
He ended up on the other site begging and trying to explain himself while digging a deeper hole. It's a pretty funny read.

 

[jweldon]

Not all of them. It was pretty bad though, I think this is what happened:

The top 1,646 slots go to SWA pilots.
The next 116 AirTran captains are ratio'd with the next 725 SWA pilots.
The next 208 AirTran captains are ratio'd with the next 1351 SWA pilots.
The next 581 AirTran captains are ratio'd with the next 2018 SWA pilots.
The first 142 AirTran FOs are ratio'd with the next 142 SWA pilots.
The rest of the 649 AirTran FOs are stapled to the bottom of the SWA FO list.
The pilots hired at SWA after the merger was announced are next.
The pilots hired at AirTran after the merger was announced are next.
The pilots hired at both carriers after the transaction closed on May 2 are in DOH order at the very bottom.

I know a former AirTran F/O s that essentially lost his opportunity to upgrade with the merger. He'll be close to retirement by the time he's eligible and he just doesn't feel like going on reserve again...

On the plus side he said he enjoyed SWA more than AirTran, but that was a couple of years ago and morale's been going downhill.

 

[ClarkGriswold]

What do you know of the 539 and the 570 pilots at UAL? Why do you think Richard Ferris hired them?

Ya they knowingly got hired to cross the picket line, so basically were ok with scabbing when they accepted the job but didn't follow through. Almost just as big of dirt bags since the intent was there.

 

[ClarkGriswold]

I'm a big fan of the Continental scab list with the picures too.

And @Cherokee_Cruiser you can say all day long that you would never scab but if you were guaranteed a job at UAL/or your crush SJI as a 777 Captain you would do it tomorrow it's quite clear.

 

[BobDDuck]

Ya they knowingly got hired to cross the picket line, so basically were ok with scabbing when they accepted the job but didn't follow through. Almost just as big of dirt bags since the intent was there.

Last week I was just being told a story about their escape via school bus from the training hotel the night before they were supposed to fly.

Those guys are all over the place now. We've got a few out here. There's a couple high up in UAL ALPA leadership.

 

[Springer]

Ya they knowingly got hired to cross the picket line, so basically were ok with scabbing when they accepted the job but didn't follow through. Almost just as big of dirt bags since the intent was there.

Clark, are you talking about those hired after May 17, 1985 (strike date)? Those that were hired in the weeks prior to that date were told by ALPA to go to class but not cross on the strike date.