TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
You were already making more than a 50 seat RJ pilot at 9e. They did level that playing field.
9L, 9E, XJ JCBA executive summary
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TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
Not to mention, your insurance rates are going down, you are getting company paid long/short term disability, match on your 401k. Your "raise" is a lot more than the .50 in your hourly rate.
I doubt SYR will be a base in 6 months.. so I wouldn't worry about those provisions too much. Once you get rolled into a hub you can look at long call rsv, min day pay, 2 hr call outs (some) etc.
Just by looking at the bid packets, we have 108 Saab CAs. The most junior of those is a May07 hire.
Hernandezcfi
Well-Known Member
Let me chime in with my .02 cents. It's clear to me that our Negotiators took the time to choose their battles carefully in this thing to be able to get it done quick. They gave a little and I'm sure took a little. I'm not happy with the Saab FO rates but overall I am pleased. I'm sure they needed a carrot to waive in front of management to entice them and lower Saab rates must have done the trick.
Those that say we could have not done better on our own are correct however, didn't PCL plan on merging us with Mesaba? We would get the current Mesaba payrates if there is no JCBA BUT...the company could get cute and start the whipsaw so look at the greater good for all of us. This is one of my own considerations when I cast my vote. The big picture. Otherwise, I'm like the old lady who is given a Virginia Ham and crying becuase she has no bread!
I'm more worried about the SLI then being short changed on the hourly rate. The upgrade wagon drove by me and I got on but there were too many people and I fell off. Now I might have a huge setback once we are one big family.
Those that say we could have not done better on our own are correct however, didn't PCL plan on merging us with Mesaba? We would get the current Mesaba payrates if there is no JCBA BUT...the company could get cute and start the whipsaw so look at the greater good for all of us. This is one of my own considerations when I cast my vote. The big picture. Otherwise, I'm like the old lady who is given a Virginia Ham and crying becuase she has no bread!
I'm more worried about the SLI then being short changed on the hourly rate. The upgrade wagon drove by me and I got on but there were too many people and I fell off. Now I might have a huge setback once we are one big family.
v1valarob
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So we have people arguing over a seperate scale for 108 people!? Really?!?
That also backs up my claim that most of our SF3 CAs wouldnt have even upgraded if they had been over at XJ with the same DOH.
The Juice
Well-Known Member
Plus remember that most of those 108 will be displaced to other aircraft and with that their grandfather rate dies
dingo222
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Looking at a .50 raise as a second year fo is being shortsighted. No, it's not the best. Dos rates for the Saab will improve over time. However, it wasn't too long ago at colgan that some of us started at 21 and hour with 23 second year. Some started at 19 and went to 21. We have never had a work rule that the company didn't change when it suited them. Get bumped much for ROE? What happens when your base closes and you have to commute? Under today's rules, you are SOL. I've been here six years and have seen every cheap ass trick and game this company can play. I got burned out of 11 hours of pay this week with a "we changed that policy." This contract is going to protect your future and qol. This contract isn't about your pay raise today, it's about what happens to you in two years when you upgrade and nobody is left on the grandfathered rate.
The Juice
Well-Known Member
Exactly!!!!!
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
WalterSobchak
Well-Known Member
Exactly.
Colgan/New hire prop rates aren't exactly crap. They are a big imporvement and only a few cents behind the Grandfathered XJ rates. If thats what the company needs to feel warm and fuzzy and make every thing else go so be it. Getting nearly a 20% raise(+ work rules) is better than 6 years of fruitless negotiations. The XJ guys have been on rates that were based on a concessionary contract and are just getting back to the rates we lost years ago. If you look at what you don't have you might miss what you do could have. JrsyGuy you are more than entitled to vote no and have your opinion about the minor pay rate differences.
Old CA - New CA
1. 40 - 47
2. 42 - 48.52
3. 43 - 50.26
4. 45 - 51.98
5. 46 - 53.55
6. 48 - 54.97
7. 49 - 56.48
8. 51 - 58.01
9. 52 - 59.47
10. 54 - 60.98
CEWLGUY
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Not a valid argument Rob. It doesn't matter what a current CA at CJC would be at MSA, all you are doing is rationializing a dangerous carve out. If we are only arguing about a small amount of pilots, then why is management so adament to stand on this? If it's such a small issue, then why is it an issue? One of the items this TA is industry leading on is figuring out ways to divide their pilot group
WalterSobchak
Well-Known Member
Q's getting a raw deal? 6 dollar raise? You can't base it on the XJ Q/200 rates because XJ had NO Q's at the time of the merger therefore no basis for that rate. There for all you can do is base it off the existing rates and step it towards XJ rates like they are which is actually building towards a better future. Why did you go to Colgan in the first place? You were fine with the current rates and work rules, but the new ones aren't acceptable? You want Mesaba's rates why didn't you come here first? I just can't figure out what you really want? Dude just write a rep and vote no.
Really? I would hope you give your JNC a little bit more credit than that. With the deadlines, 9E's 6 years of crap they had to take, XJ's concessionary contract, I'd say the JNC did a fine job of bringing a respectable contract.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Sigh. What utter non-sense. If you're looking for rationale read any of the above point. If you need it explained to you call a rep.
Separately to Jrsyguy and other like minded posters,
I really do love all you guys, but I'm done for a while on this. Please keep asking questions and learning, try opening your ears as well.
Saabomatic
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This TA is absolutely TERRIBLE for me as a 9L FO. Two different pay rates for flying the same equipment for what will be the same company is absolute rubbish. 9L was thrown under the bus. Right now, ALPA isn't worth my dues.
dingo222
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why dont you go find the plankholders of the colgan pilot group and see what you can negotiate with them? You didn't come here to be an FO. you came here for the upgrade
CEWLGUY
Well-Known Member
Funny how neither addressed my questions, just responded to my comments...and actually weird that Joe has gone from spreading as much discourse and mis-information for months, to now being a big cheerleader for the JCBA. Glad to see that this has addressed his issues. Also, I am well aware of how quickly the negotiations went, but, I would rather stick it out for a few more weeks, and sew up some of these issues that will plague this pilot group for at least...5 years? The TA is good, but it has some issues, issues that are so wrong that they can't be made up for with a nifty scheduling section. I would like to prescribe to all of you that don't think this B scale is dangerous to re(read) flying the Line volumes I and II.
v1valarob
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Did you see health insurance rates? Did you see company paid disability? Did you see the increase in per diem? Did you read all 19 pages?
Me me me me me me me me.
I can't wait for the agency shop section to take affect.