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BEEF SUPREME said:
Yeah I’m the opposite. I was up around 0500 and I have to force myself to try and sleep a bit more before the I’m supposed to be awake.

The PNW summers are awesome but my body is like “let’s get it!” if it’s light out.

I’m super nervous about red eye reserve. I’m just not built for it.


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Yeah PNW summer is a no •ter. We finally had blackout shades installed on all windows in the 4 bedrooms. It was becoming a disaster for our kids (and us). Obviously I am a night person, sitting here at something like 36 hours of being awake, minus a 2 hr nap this am (before also resuming dad duties/carnival/dog costume parade festivities)......but I feel your pain over being displaced from your natural sleep pattern. Also, even as a night person, I don't think id be built for late RAPs. I always bid (and as an FO) got the 0800-1000 ones. I could never understand how other guys played the game of the 0300 RAP. Never did long call, but I imagine that is similar.
 
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///AMG said:
Yeah PNW summer is a no •ter. We finally had blackout shades installed on all windows in the 4 bedrooms. It was becoming a disaster for our kids (and us). Obviously I am a night person, sitting here at something like 36 hours of being awake, minus a 2 hr nap this am (before also resuming dad duties/carnival/dog costume parade festivities)......but I feel your pain over being displaced from your natural sleep pattern. Also, even as a night person, I don't think id be built for late RAPs. I always bid (and as an FO) got the 0800-1000 ones. I could never understand how other guys played the game of the 0300 RAP. Never did long call, but I imagine that is similar.
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*laughs in Alaska summer*
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Last trip I woke up to do ANC-LAX. Standing outside the hotel waiting for the van, everything felt like it was 6am. It was dusky, cool, and I had just woken up.

Then a pizza delivery vehicle pulled up and I remembered it was actually 11pm.
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Way way back in the previous career I had moments exactly like that when I was working as a field technician on the back side of the clock. It’s a very specific nudge on your reality when the time clicks.
 
killbilly said:
Way way back in the previous career I had moments exactly like that when I was working as a field technician on the back side of the clock. It’s a very specific nudge on your reality when the time clicks.
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Yup. Had you asked me, I probably would have been able to tell you what time of the day it actually was, but honestly that's really that that important for us. Company wakes us up on the bat phone when it's time to go to work. We have an hour to be downstairs. So what time it is, on a personal level, isn't really that important at that point in time.
 
///AMG said:
hah yeah mine was the ANC all nighter. I think we got maybe 2 hrs of darkness once on the return leg, offset by mega moon. It was a daylight walk around at 2300 up there. Fun points for not having to lug around an overnight bag at least :)
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No overnight bag :oops:

 
///AMG said:
Yeah PNW summer is a no •ter. We finally had blackout shades installed on all windows in the 4 bedrooms. It was becoming a disaster for our kids (and us). Obviously I am a night person, sitting here at something like 36 hours of being awake, minus a 2 hr nap this am (before also resuming dad duties/carnival/dog costume parade festivities)......but I feel your pain over being displaced from your natural sleep pattern. Also, even as a night person, I don't think id be built for late RAPs. I always bid (and as an FO) got the 0800-1000 ones. I could never understand how other guys played the game of the 0300 RAP. Never did long call, but I imagine that is similar.
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We just let our kids role with it. I actually don’t mind them staying up late this time of year because then they will actually sleep in and let us get some sleep.
 
BobDDuck said:
You want to screw over the rest of your crew and get them all stuck someplace that isn't home? Because not bringing an overnight bag on a "turn" is how you screw over the rest of your crew abs get everyone stuck somewhere that isn't home.
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haha fair enough. I guess I'm not nearly superstitious enough. I also have never flown with my phone in navy planes. People always do in case they divert.
 
ASpilot2be said:
I did all redeyes for about three years. It took a toll on me.
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The amount of "waiving" I had to do in PBS to avoid redeyes got pretty ridiculous, and generally wrecked the rest of my schedule. It turned into a "well they both suck, but which one do you hate worse? Redeyes, or working back to back 3 days?"
 
roundout said:
The funny thing is that at training they tell you all the stuff that causes both acute and chronic fatigue, they even display a schedule that would be fatiguing af and then go and build the schedules with zero regard to, wel, anything.
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That seems to check with what I've seen from, er, "industry leaders".

Of course they do. Some entity would be liable if they didn't tell you about fatigue, check off the box that demonstrated coverage of the training on that subject, and then immediately asked to go do something more or less in direct conflict with everything you'd just been "taught".
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
Yeah I’m the opposite. I was up around 0500 and I have to force myself to try and sleep a bit more before the I’m supposed to be awake.

The PNW summers are awesome but my body is like “let’s get it!” if it’s light out.

I’m super nervous about red eye reserve. I’m just not built for it.


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It’s getting hard to avoid them regardless of what rap you are on.
 
Why do redeyes exist in the first place? I guess maybe useful for business travel sometimes, or for parents of young children who think their kid will get a good rest......but really?

I suppose from a business perspective it makes sense to keep using the planes after hours to sell more seats to people who want cheaper cheap tickets, or just didn't plan ahead.
 
///AMG said:
Why do redeyes exist in the first place? I guess maybe useful for business travel sometimes, or for parents of young children who think their kid will get a good rest......but really?

I suppose from a business perspective it makes sense to keep using the planes after hours to sell more seats to people who want cheaper cheap tickets, or just didn't plan ahead.
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Airplanes don't make money when they are sitting on the ground.

That's it.
 
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