JordanD
Chinese Food Enthusiast
Yeah, not accusing him of it, but seemed like an apt thread to bring it up because it does seem to run rampant in pilot discussion circles.
Are we on the precipice of another lost decade?
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Ian_J
Hubschrauber Flieger
Agreed. A dude from my shop went off the rails about the Spirit suspending hiring news and foretold doom and gloom for us all. He’s a super senior pilot with no worry of furlough but lost his poop about it anyway. It’s weird.
JordanD
Chinese Food Enthusiast
I think I get annoyed by it just because actually thinking about it does make me slightly nervous, but it's also one of those things where I feel like people either use it as an excuse to not go somewhere else or to talk negatively about people that do. Looking at how things have shaken up now, I can't believe I'd be much better of if I'd stayed any of the places I did.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
Beaker
Well-Known Member
Less sky is falling, more DFW meet and greet!
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Man. People are still talking about this huh.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
Yeah. Still wrong about economic predictions a year later. I wasn’t aware of the October effect until last year:
Why Stocks Tend To Decline or Crash In Autumn: VIX Seasonality And The October Effect
Stock market volatility tends to be highest in the autumn. Click here to see why stock returns tend to be worse than average.
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Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
Boy this system where the only thing that matters is the next quarters results is great!
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Yeah. Still wrong about economic predictions a year later. I wasn’t aware of the October effect until last year:
Why Stocks Tend To Decline or Crash In Autumn: VIX Seasonality And The October Effect
Stock market volatility tends to be highest in the autumn. Click here to see why stock returns tend to be worse than average.
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Well my guess was 2023-2024.
We aren’t out of the woods.
I’m happy with 340.25, aren’t you?
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
Like they say "payscale isn't everything". I'm just pointing out this happens every year, in the autumn. I didn't really realize it was a historical thing until I researched it during our contract talks. Not really here to argue about the merits of our contract. What's done is done.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Fair enough. But that said, the losses of several major airlines, two wars, stagnant inflation, people running out of savings, none of it bears good news for our industry.
Delta lays off some corporate workers to cut costs
Delta Air Lines is cutting some corporate jobs in an effort to reduce costs as the industry grapples with higher expenses such as for fuel and labor.www.cnbc.com
Maybe, but they’re pretty explicitly not touching the frontline thus far.
Trust me, this is a healthy thing.
Moving up the levels to earn more money was once based upon how many people reported to you. So you had layers and layers of support people, support-support people and support people who supported those that were supporting support people. So a number of dumb decisions were made because there was little accountability because it became rule by committee and not decision-making by leaders.
I have my own personal examples, but they're not for the internet.
Flyinthrew
Well-Known Member
Waking the operation up to capture the travel demand starting in 2021 has been wild Wild West. It stands to reason that some shops would overhire. However, it’s pretty low rent how this is cut back appears to be getting done. HR theory at its finest.
arkflyr
Well-Known Member
The inevitable bloat of business. When things shift from being nimble and scrappy to defending fiefdoms and attacking what would be perceived threats from other departments. I saw it happen at the Part 91 job I had for a financial services company and now at the the little redneck airline.
I can't tell you how a job that was literally four people, a mid-tier bar four-top, some drinks, some notes on a bar napkin and executing a plan the next morning at 0800 became a team of 30 people, MS Teams meetings to figure out when the actual meeting was going to be, positive space tickets to HQ, catering, "one pagers"/executive summaries, running things past 'legal' and costing and, at the end of the day, the plan went stale and never gets executed until your competitor executes it and "we need to scramble and regroup, so lets have a Teams meeting to figure out what the strategy is"… Yeah, there's some 'fat'.
I have stories. SOOOOO many stories.
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Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
They’ve gotta cover your profit sharing somehow, etc.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
The short term fear porn might slow down with the market’s performance last week.
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Well, who knows, maybe Southwest will ask you to go direct entry CA on a CRJ. Good thing is, you’re used to going from mainline to regional.
j/k
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
I would have sworn the “old way” had you explaining yourself in like, two pages or less or something to that effect.
Nah, it's always been a "one pager".
Still which is stupid and a waste of time because I don't care what you did in your business classes at Georgia Tech. What is the problem, how do we fix it. Done. Mocha?
