QX2059 Jumpseater tries to shutdown engines

MikeD said:
Sad part is, the industry here has generally felt itself to be impervious to most insider attacks, as the threat was accepted to be on the other side of the cockpit door.

The knee jerk I can see: Off or online junpseater, now how do you vet them? Not just talking credentials and CASS, but their mental state? How about simply the other guy in the cockpit who you may not know? Could’ve been this guy if he was flying instead of jumpseating.

FAA may have just gotten there “see! We need more mental health evals in medicals”. And TSA may have just gotten there “see! Flight Crews can’t be trusted either!”.
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TSA: “taps forehead”

Can’t have these incidents if people just aren’t allowed on flight deck at all!
 
Murdoughnut said:
There are nearly 24K passenger flights per day in the U.S. As I understand it, this has happened twice in 30 years. That means the probability of this occurring is 1:131,400,000 ... give or take.

Forgive me for asking as someone who isn't a Part 121 pilot, but why do we need to do anything different? Perhaps what we're doing is working pretty well.
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NO! WE MUST DO SOMETHING RIGHT MEOW!1!1
 
Murdoughnut said:
There are nearly 24K passenger flights per day in the U.S. As I understand it, this has happened twice in 30 years. That means the probability of this occurring is 1:131,400,000 ... give or take.

Forgive me for asking as someone who isn't a Part 121 pilot, but why do we need to do anything different? Perhaps what we're doing is working pretty well.
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Exactly.. this guy occupies a flight deck for work, he could have pulled this • during his flight.
 
Wonder if he was on the verge of losing his career like Calloway and the kid that crashed Germanwings and just said eff it.

I‘m not sure how you prevent that.
 
Roger Roger said:
People like to mention this in various contexts but is this actually a thing? I mean sure individual nervous flyers are a thing but the general public? I don’t really buy it.
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I have several friends from high school that message me about flights they are on and concerns from mx delays, to turbulence etc. This one gal asks me to look at pireps before each of her flights. No joke.
 
Something just doesn’t check out for me on this. He could have waited until he was locked in a flight deck with a 115lb FA who doesn’t know anything about the controls of the aircraft and crashed a 180 seat airliner on his own schedule. Instead he waits until a moment that his probability of success is as low as possible? What gives here?
 
Flyinthrew said:
Something just doesn’t check out for me on this. He could have waited until he was locked in a flight deck with a 115lb FA who doesn’t know anything about the controls of the aircraft and crashed a 180 seat airliner on his own schedule. Instead he waits until a moment that his probability of success is as low as possible? What gives here?
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He was just the jumpseater, so there would’ve been one of the pilots at least there. But yeah, doing it with the two pilots present, is an odd tactic with low probability of success.
 
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Is this SSI? Asking for a friend…


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BEEF SUPREME said:
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Saw an FFDO use his badge to get an LE discount at Chik fil a, telling the cashier he was “ on duty”. My partner beat me to pulling him aside quietly to tell him that 1. He’s not LE, he’s at best, a cockpit security guard. 2. He’s not on duty, and 3. Even when on duty, his jurisdiction is about 15 or so square feet, give or take.

Nitwit.
 
Flyinthrew said:
Something just doesn’t check out for me on this. He could have waited until he was locked in a flight deck with a 115lb FA who doesn’t know anything about the controls of the aircraft and crashed a 180 seat airliner on his own schedule. Instead he waits until a moment that his probability of success is as low as possible? What gives here?
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Irrational people don't make rational decisions.

We still haven't heard what the motive was; Germanwings, FedEx 705, annibriated, or just plane dumb.
 
Roger Roger said:
People like to mention this in various contexts but is this actually a thing? I mean sure individual nervous flyers are a thing but the general public? I don’t really buy it.
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Give extremely high load factors and record ticket prices in the last few years, I don't think there's much reason to believe the public is afraid to fly.
 
Roger Roger said:
I think the implication was that he could have waited until he was operating a flight and the other pilot took a break.
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Ah, ok. That makes sense. Maybe (if this was a planned thing) it was something with this party Kay flight? Of course, assuming rational thought here. Could be anything motive-wise, really.
 
Flyinthrew said:
Something just doesn’t check out for me on this. He could have waited until he was locked in a flight deck with a 115lb FA who doesn’t know anything about the controls of the aircraft and crashed a 180 seat airliner on his own schedule. Instead he waits until a moment that his probability of success is as low as possible? What gives here?
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To be fair, when was the last time you saw a 115lbs FA?
 
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