Umm, WTF ?
Gulfstream G150 crew was racing before runway overshoot, NTSB says
The flight crew on a Gulfstream G150 overran the runway while attempting to race another jet to the airport. The NTSB final report investigates the reported mechanical difficulties and uncovers what was really said in the cockpit before the runway excursion.www.globalair.com
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Hell yeah Calvin and Hobbs. I basically was Calvin as a child, minus the imaginary friend but with all the antics and pretending to be a dinosaur. Idk how my parents were able to deal with it because I look back as an adult and realize how abnormal I was compared to all the other kids. I mean who gets suspended multiple times in Kindergarten? I even got suspended from high school many years later for photos of very inappropriate snowmen I made thousands of miles away in MSP over winter break because the school was stalking my MySpace LOL. It's like Bill Watterson was there for my childhood.
Oh Commies LLX:
And in similar fashion;
Pushed Beyond The Limit: The Story Of Pinnacle Airlines Flight 3701
The pilots' desire to take the plane beyond its normal operating envelope ultimately resulted in disaster.
The CVR transcript for that one was wild. As crazy as it seems, I recall our banned amigo Todd was part of the investigation and said the CVR transcript that the public has access to was actually cleaned up and less profane and what not then the real recording. Which says a lot.
So not applicable? Let’s stop doing CRM also since the watershed accident was almost 50 years ago.
I hadn't heard of the NWA crash so I am not a SME by any means. However, the pdf link you provided doesn't offer any evidence that they were screwing around. Again, I don't know the full story, but the crash report makes it sound like an honest mistake with the pitot tubes icing up.The CVR transcript for that one was wild. As crazy as it seems, I recall our banned amigo Todd was part of the investigation and said the CVR transcript that the public has access to was actually cleaned up and less profane and what not then the real recording. Which says a lot.
Here is a PDF link to the CVR transcript: https://tailstrike.com/media/il2bjcd1/151004.pdf
EDIT: Also, you know it has happened more than once in the 121 world, right? People do mess around with planes outside of part 91, not always leading to accidents, as I recall that Xjet E145 that very aggressively buzzed a Mexican beach on a revenue flight and that kind of stuff for example, but it happens. Off the top of my head, there was also this Northwest Airlines 727-200 on a ferry flight. All 3 pilots were 32-35 and they decided to have some fun on their way to go pick up the Buffalo Bills NFL team and see if an empty 727 could break the sound barrier. They forgot to turn on the pitot heaters, and since they decided to try and break the speed of sound in a 727 (the Wiki article doesn't seem to pick up on how they were messing around), they thought the stick shaker was just mach buffet and then they stalled at a high AOA and went down. That CVR is very similar to Pinnacle 3701, lots of laughter and "Hell yeah, awesome, man!" followed by "OMG". Do you not think the average regional pilot has only become less mature in those 20 years?
Northwest Orient Airlines Flight 6231 - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Report with CVR: https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR7513.pdf
Damn ...The CVR transcript for that one was wild. As crazy as it seems, I recall our banned amigo Todd was part of the investigation and said the CVR transcript that the public has access to was actually cleaned up and less profane and what not then the real recording. Which says a lot.
Here is a PDF link to the CVR transcript: https://tailstrike.com/media/il2bjcd1/151004.pdf
EDIT: Also, you know it has happened more than once in the 121 world, right? People do mess around with planes outside of part 91, not always leading to accidents, as I recall that Xjet E145 that very aggressively buzzed a Mexican beach on a revenue flight and that kind of stuff for example, but it happens. Off the top of my head, there was also this Northwest Airlines 727-200 on a ferry flight. All 3 pilots were 32-35 and they decided to have some fun on their way to go pick up the Buffalo Bills NFL team and see if an empty 727 could break the sound barrier. They forgot to turn on the pitot heaters, and since they decided to try and break the speed of sound in a 727 (the Wiki article doesn't seem to pick up on how they were messing around), they thought the stick shaker was just mach buffet and then they stalled at a high AOA and went down. That CVR is very similar to Pinnacle 3701, lots of laughter and "Hell yeah, awesome, man!" followed by "OMG". Do you not think the average regional pilot has only become less mature in those 20 years?
Northwest Orient Airlines Flight 6231 - Wikipedia
Report with CVR: https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR7513.pdf
jetcareers.com
I was assuming the report had the CVR transcript, does it not? I never read the full report, just the CVR transcript and what was outlined in a crash investigation book series about this accident. The whole reason they stalled was they were trying to mess around and thought the ASI was accurately flying off the handle in response to their actions, not because of a pitot failure. If you read the transcript, it is all right there, but as the accident uncovered a fatal flaw in the 727 and no one but the crew was killed with no property damage below, I suppose that became the focus rather than the professionalism of the crew. An investigator told Boeing something like "It is pure luck that this first happened on a ferry flight" regarding the ASI behavior. It is covered well in this book: Air Disaster, Vol. 1: MacArthur Job: 9781875671113: Amazon.com: Books
but the corpie overrun this thread is about wasn’t?
I get all that and I agree with your assessment. But you’re ignoring mine.
I have 0 sympathy for unprofessional hacks like this. Im only glad no one got killed.Umm, WTF ?
Gulfstream G150 crew was racing before runway overshoot, NTSB says
The flight crew on a Gulfstream G150 overran the runway while attempting to race another jet to the airport. The NTSB final report investigates the reported mechanical difficulties and uncovers what was really said in the cockpit before the runway excursion.
FOQA FTW
20 years, 20 months…what your point. Pretty similar to this G150!
