PSA New Hire FO Classes Suspended

There's 50 FO's on reserve in Charlotte. That's all it is. Going to be hard to get them there 100 consolidation hours before 150 days after check ride.
 
badtransam97 said:
What's this??
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Received a company e-mail today:
All First Officers:


In accordance with Section 13.B. of the CBA, we are offering Enhanced Personal Leaves in August for First Officers. Flica should be reflectings the number of full-month leaves and, from which domicile leaves will be granted (8 First Officers from CLT). In addition to full-month leaves, we anticipate offering periods of days, trips, weeks, and multiple weeks as well. We may continue to offer Enhanced Personal Leaves beyond August.


If you wish to take a full-month leave, please email Crew Planning at...​
 
Hmmm...changes things for those of us looking to get on board as an FO huh? Was last told classes resuming Sept or Oct, now that may not happen? Guess I'll play it day by day.
 
This has nothing to do with hiring. It's pretty simple. They are extremely fat on FOs in CLT right now. So fat that new FOs aren't getting their consolidation time due to a lack of flying to go around. So the company's intent (the way I see it) is to offer a leave of absence in hopes that some senior FOs will take it and free up some lines or at least more flying for the new FOs to get their consolidation time. This alleviates a couple of problems for them. 1) Having to send guys back to the sim prematurely. This not only costs them a little extra money, but sim time itself is valuable right now. 2) Not having to pay some senior FOs for a month will probably save them a few thousand dollars.

That's all I can make of it.
 
Blackhawk said:
I know this all sounds great, but I really don't see how it is safely sustainable, especially when accounting for normal attrition. As someone pointed out in another thread we are already starting to see pilots being hired with baggage that would have disqualified them only a year ago. I would not be surprised to see this pressure transfer to training departments to let people slide through who might not have in the past.
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How much baggage we talking here? Cause I'm still slumming it at the same dysfunctional company you recently returned to.
 
chrisreedrules said:
This has nothing to do with hiring. It's pretty simple. They are extremely fat on FOs in CLT right now. So fat that new FOs aren't getting their consolidation time due to a lack of flying to go around. So the company's intent (the way I see it) is to offer a leave of absence in hopes that some senior FOs will take it and free up some lines or at least more flying for the new FOs to get their consolidation time. This alleviates a couple of problems for them. 1) Having to send guys back to the sim prematurely. This not only costs them a little extra money, but sim time itself is valuable right now. 2) Not having to pay some senior FOs for a month will probably save them a few thousand dollars.

That's all I can make of it.
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So they are trying to get FOs to take time off for free instead of buying them out of their lines?
 
mastermags said:
So they are trying to get FOs to take time off for free instead of buying them out of their lines?
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You don't get bought out of your lines at PSA. Our contract allows you to get sent to long call, not able to be converted to short or airport reserve.
 
surreal1221 said:
How much baggage we talking here? Cause I'm still slumming it at the same dysfunctional company you recently returned to.
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How long have you been there??? I remember the George and John days. You want to talk dysfunctional. Our own gate agents would refuse us the jumpseat.
Or my brother at a regional that I won't name but starts with TSA. Every upgrade candidate failed their first attempt so they had something to talk about on their major interview until the airline lost a lawsuit.
I guess I've just seen some pretty are up operations- 91, 135 and 121- so I have a different perspective of dysfunctional. Working 10-14 days a month, on time almost every leg and seeing my paychecks clear is hardly dysfunctional.
 
LucasM said:
I almost enjoy getting displaced nowadays. 4 days of LCR and a 99.9% chance of not getting called
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Well at literally every other airline the trip would disappear from your schedule, they would have to pay you for it, and you could pick up out of open time if you so chose. I'd rather have that than the "they probably won't use me" thing.
 
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Blackhawk said:
How long have you been there??? I remember the George and John days. You want to talk dysfunctional. Our own gate agents would refuse us the jumpseat.
Or my brother at a regional that I won't name but starts with TSA. Every upgrade candidate failed their first attempt so they had something to talk about on their major interview until the airline lost a lawsuit.
I guess I've just seen some pretty are up operations- 91, 135 and 121- so I have a different perspective of dysfunctional. Working 10-14 days a month, on time almost every leg and seeing my paychecks clear is hardly dysfunctional.
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Guess it won't matter since you've been around much longer and my opinion will be marginalized.

But, for the record, 7.5 yrs and went through the first, and thus far only, furlough at this establishment for 18 months.

Our definitions of dysfunctional are dependent on ones perspective. We just happened to have a different one.

Additionally, ones perspective is not limited to simply flights operating on time and pay checks clearing. Which, actually, do not occur flawlessly every month.

However, my question still stands: What sort of baggage are folks being hired with?
 
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Soku39 said:
Well at literally every other airline the trip would disappear from your schedule, they would have to pay you for it, and you could pick up out of open time if you so chose. I'd rather have that than the "they probably won't use me" thing.
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Uh.... no
 
Soku39 said:
Well at literally every other airline the trip would disappear from your schedule, they would have to pay you for it, and you could pick up out of open time if you so chose. I'd rather have that than the "they probably won't use me" thing.
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ClarkGriswold said:
Uh.... no
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Maybe not, but many airlines do and this should be the standard that other airlines should be shooting for in negotiations.
 
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