KCM

amorris311 said:
Yes he is. You even say in our post that you know the answer. He's asking a question that he could care less of the answer. He has a track record that is anti organized labor and this is his passive agressive way of attacking. If it was someone else asking the question I probably wouldn't have bit but such is life.
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It's not that I am anti-organized labor; I just don't automatically accept their claim on the moral high ground.
 
SteveC said:
What is the downside for ALPA when this program is extended beyond their membership?
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I stated a few times that KCM would not have been implemented if it didn't include everyone.

With that said...


The downside is that the less people pay for the implementation costs (paying for a product development with 54,000 dues paying members rather than 60,000) the less money there is left over for more important items like @Autothrust Blue mentioned. More folks should be paying into the ALPA pot to accomplish these items, for the profession. If you aren't paying into that pot, you are freeloading.
 
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Seggy said:
They don't do nearly as good a job as ALPA does, however they are better than nothing. As stated above, yes they are freeloading.



Maybe they should think of joining ALPA.
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Seggy said:
Yes.
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Nah. Like I said, nobody cares. I go through KCM alongside ALPA pilots all the time, wearing a Teamsters P2P lanyard. All the ALPA pilots are perfectly cordial and treat me with the same respect they would any other pilot, ALPA or otherwise. It's a government program open to all, and each participating company pays for its use (and maintains their own databases). 99% of the guys/gals know that.

Really, if you have a problem, it's your problem. Loosen the tie and chill out a bit.
 
dasleben said:
Nah. Like I said, nobody cares. I go through KCM alongside ALPA pilots all the time, wearing a Teamsters P2P lanyard. All the ALPA pilots are perfectly cordial and treat me with the same respect they would any other pilot, ALPA or otherwise.
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As they should

It's a government program open to all, and each participating company pays for its use (and maintains their own databases). 99% of the guys/gals know that.
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Just because it's a government program doesn't mean the money fell off the tree to get there. Like roadways, most folks pay taxes to use them, but those who don't get questioned why they didn't pay their share of taxes by the IRS or a state agency. There is a cost associated with it and folks aren't paying their fair share.

Really, if you have a problem, it's your problem. Loosen the tie and chill out a bit.
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It's clear I'm not the only one who has a problem. Others do see the point I'm making. Y'all get caught up with the fact that there are a few sides to one issue that is suppose to be 'nice'.
 
Seggy said:
...If you aren't paying into that pot, you are freeloading.
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When I hear back from NATA on what is involved for our company to get involved I'll have a better idea about costs, and where the funding goes. I'm going to guess we probably won't be paying anything into ALPA coffers, but I really don't know. Either way I'll probably sleep just fine at night.
 
SteveC said:
When I hear back from NATA on what is involved for our company to get involved I'll have a better idea about costs, and where the funding goes. I'm going to guess we probably won't be paying anything into ALPA coffers, but I really don't know. Either way I'll probably sleep just fine at night.
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Did you even read what I wrote?
 
Seggy said:
I stated a few times that KCM would not have been implemented if it didn't include everyone.

With that said...


The downside is that the less people pay for the implementation costs (paying for a product development with 54,000 dues paying members rather than 60,000) the less money there is left over for more important items like @Autothrust Blue mentioned. More folks should be paying into the ALPA pot to accomplish these items, for the profession. If you aren't paying into that pot, you are freeloading.
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Seggy said:
Did you even read what I wrote?
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Read it twice, actually. What is your point in asking?

Apparently you think I missed something, or responded to something in an incorrect manner, but I really don't know where you are going with that rather (typically) cryptic comment.
 
Seggy said:
The downside is that the less people pay for the implementation costs (paying for a product development with 54,000 dues paying members rather than 60,000) the less money there is left over for more important items like @Autothrust Blue mentioned. More folks should be paying into the ALPA pot to accomplish these items, for the profession. If you aren't paying into that pot, you are freeloading.
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Nothing cryptic @SteveC .

You had wanted an answer to your earlier question that you even bumped a post which I provided above (I provided all of it not just part of it like you did). I responded but you didn't like that I had a very well thought out point (as usual) and played a squirrel game and talked about something else while attempting to call me out on it.
 
SteveC said:
When I hear back from NATA on what is involved for our company to get involved I'll have a better idea about costs, and where the funding goes. I'm going to guess we probably won't be paying anything into ALPA coffers, but I really don't know. Either way I'll probably sleep just fine at night.
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I sleep deliciously most of the time.
 
Seggy said:
Nothing cryptic @SteveC .

You had wanted an answer to your earlier question that you even bumped a post which I provided above (I provided all of it not just part of it like you did). I responded but you didn't like that I had a very well thought out point (as usual) and played a squirrel game and talked about something else while attempting to call me out on it.
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I think you read more into my response than was intended. I was good with almost all of your post, and only wanted to elaborate a bit because of the last sentence, so that's the part I quoted.

I have no issue with your (and others) contention that ALPA did the heavy lifting on this. I've already said thank you for that.

I think your attitude that others are "free loaders" if we use KCM but don't directly reimburse ALPA is childish. I am also pretty sure that we won't see eye to eye on that. *shrug* Life goes on.

Happy holidays.
 
Where did I say anything about a reimbursement? I would rather have those pilot groups as ALPA represented. We'd get a lot more done that way. Perfect example is if UPS Pilots were part of ALPA I don't think there would have been a cargo cutout in FAR117.
 
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