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Toobdrvr said:
ALPA is not interested in representing all 121 pilot groups.

Last year, AnimalTailsAirlines(tm) had a representation drive. Some pilots contacted ALPA requesting they throw their hat in the ring. Capt. Moak himself said "No Thanks".

I would really like to work at an ALPA-represented carrier and have worked very hard to make that happen, but no call yet.

I guess in the meantime, I will have to live with being called a freeloader. Thank you to my hopefully future ALPA bretheren for this service...
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AnimalTailsAirlines = I laughed.
 
Toobdrvr said:
Last year, AnimalTailsAirlines(tm) had a representation drive. Some pilots contacted ALPA requesting they throw their hat in the ring. Capt. Moak himself said "No Thanks".
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That data I saw a few years ago suggested that it would be highly unlikely that FAPA would have any interest in becoming ALPA. I'm sure there are some guys there that would vote yes but the survey data showed it was far from a majority. Over the last 10 years ALPA spent millions on failed organizational drives (Colgan, Jetblue and Skywest, plus a few more possibly). They decided at some point that there would have to be a really good chance of success (Colgan) or an organizing committee that was willing to do pretty much everything on their own (JetBlue) in order to support another drive using member's dollars.

I agree with this methodology as I was getting pretty tired of buying Skywest and Colgan guys pizza and sandwiches and getting no return on my investment.
 
BobDDuck said:
That data I saw a few years ago suggested that it would be highly unlikely that FAPA would have any interest in becoming ALPA. I'm sure there are some guys there that would vote yes but the survey data showed it was far from a majority. Over the last 10 years ALPA spent millions on failed organizational drives (Colgan, Jetblue and Skywest, plus a few more possibly). They decided at some point that there would have to be a really good chance of success (Colgan) or an organizing committee that was willing to do pretty much everything on their own (JetBlue) in order to support another drive using member's dollars.

I agree with this methodology as I was getting pretty tired of buying Skywest and Colgan guys pizza and sandwiches and getting no return on my investment.
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Perfectly understood and valid. I simply intended to point out that it's not as easy as just deciding to join the winning team. I have honestly done everything I can think of to get the attention of an ALPA- represented carrier and will continue to do so. But in the meantime, if anyone thinks I'm going to pass up an opportunity to make my day go more easily and participate in a program that my present employer pays to participate in, regardless of who endured the initial legwork and expense; well, that's just plain nuts!!! The opinions of a few outspoken internet personas be damned....

BTW, it wasn't about FAPA becoming ALPA. It was about Frontier pilots being interested in ALPA representation. It's just semantics, but still...
 
BobDDuck said:
That data I saw a few years ago suggested that it would be highly unlikely that FAPA would have any interest in becoming ALPA. I'm sure there are some guys there that would vote yes but the survey data showed it was far from a majority. Over the last 10 years ALPA spent millions on failed organizational drives (Colgan, Jetblue and Skywest, plus a few more possibly). They decided at some point that there would have to be a really good chance of success (Colgan) or an organizing committee that was willing to do pretty much everything on their own (JetBlue) in order to support another drive using member's dollars.

I agree with this methodology as I was getting pretty tired of buying Skywest and Colgan guys pizza and sandwiches and getting no return on my investment.
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My coworkers liked the food, but not the message apparently.

And I think you're right. A homegrown (JBU) effort has more credibility, in my view.
 
Ajax said:
Totally uncalled for in my opinion.

I'm paying dues and getting jack ___ out of it, so if you want to just consider my dues paid for their KCM and yours went to #denyNAI
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The problem I have with this all too common line of thinking is that we are in a post union contract era. What you are paying for is enforcement of contracts that originally, and I mean going way back, was fought for very hard.

These kinds of comments are akin to a spoiled kid who thinks they are just entitled to this great American standard of living without acknowledging the sacrifices of those before him while not wanting to pay the taxes it takes to keep the country running
 
sherpa said:
The problem I have with this all too common line of thinking is that we are in a post union contract era. What you are paying for is enforcement of contracts that originally, and I mean going way back, was fought for very hard.

These kinds of comments are akin to a spoiled kid who thinks they are just entitled to this great American standard of living without acknowledging the sacrifices of those before him while not wanting to pay the taxes it takes to keep the country running
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Spoiled kids don't even know what taxes are.
 
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