proxima3003
Well-Known Member
If somebody has a minute, explain the seat-lock thing for me please. I understand it as - a new-hire having to stay in the bro for a year (2yrs?), before transitioning into the jet...
SkyW Pay Package Out - No concessions
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ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
Ok smarty pants, what's it designed to do then?
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
Have to stay in the bro for 2 years.
Nick
Well-Known Member
Did you read both of the things that I wrote that I felt this could be about, not just the second one?
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Guarantee a no vote at XJet.
Ford and Harrison (or whomever Saint George is using) are REALLY very good at their job and they pay huge amounts to attract top talent.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Take it one step farther. What does the no vote get them?
GypsyPilot
Mohawk Town
Uh, we still get our yearly increases in addition to the small increase with this contract. How is that a paycut?
You and Seggy... Real pieces of work, but predictable whiners.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
New contracts (or working agreements) don't get measured by longevity raises.
Don't get me wrong. I think it's great that they didn't come in and slash your pay. Just understand that most pilots suck at math and airline management is very good at taking advantage of that.
Soku39
Well-Known Member
I have no idea what a no vote gets them, I still have no idea why skw bought xjt. I don't know what it gains them to close the doors, but that seems to be a real option.
Edit: I've only been in this airline biz for 2 months, but the whole thing seems like a complete and utter 3 ring circus. I know when I read this my initial reaction was F those guys, I quickly remembered that this is improper thinking, It really is pilots vs management. This news coming out a week before the close of voting at xjt is not a mistake,
Edit: I've only been in this airline biz for 2 months, but the whole thing seems like a complete and utter 3 ring circus. I know when I read this my initial reaction was F those guys, I quickly remembered that this is improper thinking, It really is pilots vs management. This news coming out a week before the close of voting at xjt is not a mistake,
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GypsyPilot
Mohawk Town
Relative to what our regional peers have let happen to them this year (with the exception Eagle), I think it's acceptable. It's not a kickass, sing from the rooftops contract. But considering SkyWest compensation was already near the top, I'm ok with it.
Nick
Well-Known Member
An arbitrator assigned raises to Compass' rates.
I'm only mentioning that because it's the only one that was "decided" by a third party this year that I can think of, as opposed to a company working with a pilot group.
So, if that arbitrator thought those rates in this environment deserved to come up a little, then he'd probably think most others should come up a little too. Sure there are a lot of other factors.
But...if it's not a raise, it's a pay cut.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
I don't understand. Going by your logic here PSA and Endeavor got pay raises, actually at a larger percent (certainly on the FO side at PSA) than Skywest.
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
So basically "less sucky is the new improvement."
Seggy
Well-Known Member
Nah, we worked to raise the bar. We did succeed, for a period of time, but the realities (bankruptcy laws and/or threats of non-union companies where flying can be 'reassigned' to) need to be revisited.
bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
Ain't nobody saying it's the greatest thing ever, especially me. Not even sure how I'll vote, but I thought it was good enough to put out to our pilot group and show the industry not all of us are under the gun - at least not yet. Whipsaw action? Mayhaps, but at least others can see it isn't all doom & gloom out there. We have leverage as an industry and the tired race downwards needs to stop somewhere. The non-union guys are able to reasonably hold the line and somehow it is still our fault? Give me a break.
WestIndian425
Well-Known Member
I'm going to hijack this thread a bit and ask a question to everyone: what exactly would you consider to be a good contract? This is entirely your opinion, and no bashing intended. The reason I ask is while many who work for SkyWest seem pleased with this, others who don't work for SkyWest do not.
Perhaps I should start a new thread entitled, "Tell me what you think you're worth as an airline pilot" and see how everyone opines.
Perhaps I should start a new thread entitled, "Tell me what you think you're worth as an airline pilot" and see how everyone opines.
amorris311
Well-Known Member
I agree with you that it is not the pilots fault that they were able to negotiate some gains for their respective pilot groups. However, when the holding company is crying poor to the other entities it sure feels like a slap in the face. Now this is Jetcareers where mostly pilots hang out so the mud slinging is going to be pilot group to pilot group. If the A4A had a web board it would be airline management slinging the mud. I say take what you can get but the one year time frame is the only thing that worries me. Delta is supposed to have their big reset next year and that could adversely effect your next "contract". Now on the other hand Skywest could tell delta to pound sand and up the flying with one of the other partners but I don't know. That's why I asked the question earlier about the longevity of the contract.
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
See? Lots of places getting raises. Why so many taking cuts? This is ludicrous.