Any low time fo's time building?

nmineau

nmineau

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I know this may not be the best spot but my current FO is not going to make the time cutoff this week and is looking for someone to build 70 hours with in a cheap plane we have. Thanks and good luck to all the First Officers!
 
Ya he will end the week at 1430 I can get him flying a 172 for 36an hour dry but he want someone to split the cost
 
A little more notice and we could have done it for $85 wet. Heck I would have flown it across the lake to pick him up......
 
nmineau said:
I know this may not be the best spot but my current FO is not going to make the time cutoff this week and is looking for someone to build 70 hours with in a cheap plane we have. Thanks and good luck to all the First Officers!
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Are they letting him use sim time towards the ATP TT? My company POI gave the go ahead to use it...
 
So he's short 70 hours and will lose his job over something he can't control? One of the very few times I'd say:

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My official advice is not to do anything illegal, of course...
 
Ouch...what a raw deal.

He doesn't qualify through any of the carve-outs the Feds were so accommodating in creating?
 
dasleben said:
That's absolute crap, IMO. Guy is perfectly qualified and safe one day, and now he's not? Completely arbitrary, and destructive to career progression.
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Well I won't debate the legitimacy of the law, I will say that instructing and earning a few bucks is a lot better than paying to rent it.

There are many things in the world and especially the flying world that are complete crap, but nonetheless pencil-whipping is always illegal, flight instructing is not.
 
crazyjaydawg said:
There are many things in the world and especially the flying world that are complete crap, but nonetheless pencil-whipping is always illegal, flight instructing is not.
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I personally believe we have some duty to not adhere to unjust laws.
 
dasleben said:
I personally believe we have some duty to not adhere to unjust laws.
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I'm sure that we won't see eye to eye on this, but if I think that an airline's minimums (less restrictive than law) are unjust, can I give myself an extra 70 TPIC?

If you say no, then where is the line drawn? I understand the frustration with the law, but I don't like the idea of competing with people in the job market that have illegitimate time.
 
crazyjaydawg said:
I'm sure that we won't see eye to eye on this, but if I think that an airline's minimums (less restrictive than law) are unjust, can I give myself an extra 70 TPIC?

If you say no, then where is the line drawn? I understand the frustration with the law, but I don't like the idea of competing with people in the job market that have illegitimate time.
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Completely different.

Increasing your own time in order to get a job you don't qualify for is extremely unethical, no doubt about it. I've never done it, and never would.

However, we're talking about someone who's been a qualified, employed, and safe pilot for that company up until a certain date. After that, he'll be forcibly removed from his job by an arbitrary piece of legislation. I think he has the inherent right to protect his livelihood.
 
ClarkGriswold said:
Are you freaking kidding me Dasleban? You say its only for the now but what about when that 70 hours hes magically logged helps him qualify early for a major? Thats BS and I can't even fathom the fact that you have suggested this. This rule has been known about for plenty long to get the time.
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the rule in its entirety has been known for less than what, 2 weeks?
 
ClarkGriswold said:
Are you freaking kidding me Dasleban? You say its only for the now but what about when that 70 hours hes magically logged helps him qualify early for a major? Thats BS and I can't even fathom the fact that you have suggested this. This rule has been known about for plenty long to get the time.
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I see your point about qualifying for a major early; I would say that the person should remember not to include it in later applications.

However, the rule has obviously not been around long enough for currently-employed pilots to build the time, as evidenced by the OP's FO. 70 hours is simply not a lot of time, and losing a job over something that's practically a rounding error for a lot of people is not acceptable in my mind. Now, if we were talking about a not-so-insignificant amount of flight time, yes, the pilot would probably simply have to take his lumps and go back to being an instructor.

But all this over 70 hours? Sheesh.
 
Ya but only the restricted part, it was known for almost 2 years that 1500 would be needed. Don't give me that. This is a crappy situation but saying they didn't know or to pencil whip is BS.

This was to Elmetal.
 
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