Any low time fo's time building?

crazyjaydawg said:
I was never an airline pilot with <1500 hrs. I spent almost 10 months in the unemployment line between cfi gigs before I was fortunate enough to get a look at with 1900tt. I had ATP mins in dual given before I got I hired at an airline that later f*ed me and put me in a position to restart at another regional with over 2500 hrs.

In fact in 18 months before I was called to mil duty I had never gotten a line...so I get the awfulness that is the bottom of a seniority list. Really I also get the short-sightedness of this law. I just feel like there is a line to be drawn at what is O.K. and what is not. Pencil whipping is a really sore subject because I lost some legit opportunities to some people that may have had magical pens where I didn't, but at the end of the day I took a lot of knocks to get to where I'm at and I know most airline pilots have. I'm not condoning the knocks and saying everyone else needs to take those knocks (I don't want to pull the ladder up on anybody), but I will say that sometimes there are $hi77y rules that everyone needs to play by and I can't respect anyone that thinks a $.99 Bic pen is as valuable as the places that I've been and the things that I have seen to get to where I'm at.
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Understand that I'm not advocating pencil whipping to get ahead. I consider this a measure of self-preservation, only because a pilot may very well find himself without a career due to a knee jerk reaction from Congress.

Idealism is great, and there is a time and place for making a stand. Honoring a picket line is one. Losing your livelihood over 70 hours is not.
 
dasleben said:
Understand that I'm not advocating pencil whipping to get ahead. I consider this a measure of self-preservation, only because a pilot may very well find himself without a career due to a knee jerk reaction from Congress.

Idealism is great, and there is a time and place for making a stand. Honoring a picket line is one. Losing your livelihood over 70 hours is not.
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I have at least one friend who is, as of today, a nonqual.
 
dasleben said:
Understand that I'm not advocating pencil whipping to get ahead. I consider this a measure of self-preservation, only because a pilot may very well find himself without a career due to a knee jerk reaction from Congress.

Idealism is great, and there is a time and place for making a stand. Honoring a picket line is one. Losing your livelihood over 70 hours is not.
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Don't you think it The Company might find it odd that someone who was going to be a problem with the new rules suddenly found a couple dozen hours in an old logbook?
 
Roger Roger said:
Don't you think it The Company might find it odd that someone who was going to be a problem with the new rules suddenly found a couple dozen hours in an old logbook?
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The company wouldn't care. Now, if the FAA decided to come after Señor Pencil Whipper, the company will throw him under the bus, but until then they'll most certainly just turn a blind eye and play dumb.
 
USMCmech said:
I feel bad for your friend but, everyone has known (or should have known) that this was coming for at least 24 months.
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Sadly, a very common problem in this industry is that pilots won't stand up for each other when times get rough. People who know me know that I don't always toe the union line, but as a current and former union volunteer, I'd fight tooth and nail to keep another pilot employed. I think it's about time we start looking out for our own rather than point fingers, wouldn't you agree?
 
I've heard it mentioned a few times that a FO that was operating and current at a 121 carrier on July 31st but had less than 1,500 hours could continue to build that time at said 121 carrier until reaching 1,500 and an ATP until some point in 2016. Where are people coming up with this? I thought the congressional law was pretty clear? I didn't read the new rule at all because I scraped by (1546 TT) and got my ATP so I'm just asking where people are coming up with this?
 
bronco21016 said:
I've heard it mentioned a few times that a FO that was operating and current at a 121 carrier on July 31st but had less than 1,500 hours could continue to build that time at said 121 carrier until reaching 1,500 and an ATP until some point in 2016. Where are people coming up with this? I thought the congressional law was pretty clear? I didn't read the new rule at all because I scraped by (1546 TT) and got my ATP so I'm just asking where people are coming up with this?
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People are misunderstanding the regs. None of what you've heard is factual.
 
I didn't think so. Sucks for the guys that didn't make it. Hopefully they're able to find income until the universities get accredited. I know of one university that is saying it will take at least 6 months and they're not even sure it will go far enough back to have them be accredited under the old curriculum that many of the people in the 1000-1500 TT range graduated under.
 
bronco21016 said:
I didn't think so. Sucks for the guys that didn't make it. Hopefully they're able to find income until the universities get accredited. I know of one university that is saying it will take at least 6 months and they're not even sure it will go far enough back to have them be accredited under the old curriculum that many of the people in the 1000-1500 TT range graduated under.
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You're assuming that these folks are Riddle rats too.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
You're assuming that these folks are Riddle rats too.
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Isn't every regional pilot a Riddle Rat, and every Riddle Rat a regional pilot?

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