Who/What are we going to blame the next one on?

I was in the back (paying customer) of a Saab 340 and noticed the aggressive way the pilot was (mis) handling the aircraft on taxi out and over braking, stuff that was just an annoyance. Then this seemingly unstable approach into Dulles and finally a touchdown and..oh crap he pulled it into reverse with the nose wheel still way up in the air...of course, it slammed down. then we turned off about halfway down the runway. That was worthy of a call to PS.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I'm supposed to be doing adult things right now. Buying a house, having kids, etc. But because of what has happened to this industry, it's just not in the cards right now.
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Didn't you just buy a house? :P

Anyway, I hear ya...except that the reason I don't own a house is because of Sallie Mae. Thanks OBAMA.
 
Bumblebee said:
I was in the back (paying customer) of a Saab 340 and noticed the aggressive way the pilot was (mis) handling the aircraft on taxi out and over braking, stuff that was just an annoyance. Then this seemingly unstable approach into Dulles and finally a touchdown and..oh crap he pulled it into reverse with the nose wheel still way up in the air...of course, it slammed down. then we turned off about halfway down the runway. That was worthy of a call to PS.
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Sorry about that.

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Boris Badenov said:
Yeah, "if you see something, say something". No one too uninformed or clueless to have an opinion about what everyone else does! Personally, I think the FAA ought to open a branch office at every airport and hand out "Junior Inspector" badges to the locals. Can't be too Safe!
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Overall great thread and I wanted to say Gonzo is not alone in his observations.

That out of the way, this from you Boris is a comedic gem. Keep it up.
 
Bumblebee said:
I was in the back (paying customer) of a Saab 340 and noticed the aggressive way the pilot was (mis) handling the aircraft on taxi out and over braking, stuff that was just an annoyance. Then this seemingly unstable approach into Dulles and finally a touchdown and..oh crap he pulled it into reverse with the nose wheel still way up in the air...of course, it slammed down. then we turned off about halfway down the runway. That was worthy of a call to PS.
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You must have flown on Silver...
 
juxtapilot said:
I am genuinely worried about something happening in an RJ. And from the stories I've heard, and the situations discussed in recurrent classes etc. I'm a little shocked that people can really be that incompetent and/or stupid. I have NOT seen any similar situation EVER on a mainline aircraft. I'm sure things happen but those guys seem to take their jobs, and their lives more seriously.
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I think what's sad is that those guys that mess up constantly and shouldn't be flying at all only get a slap on the wrist, a visit to the training department and back on the line they are. If the company tries to get rid of them, the union will get them their job back.
 
CRJDriver said:
I think what's sad is that those guys that mess up constantly and shouldn't be flying at all only get a slap on the wrist, a visit to the training department and back on the line they are. If the company tries to get rid of them, the union will get them their job back.
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If you can't qualify, you can't continue to work.

Don't buy the hype. Those guys don't ever get hauled into the training department because...

NOBODY EVER TURNS THEM IN!

Think about that for a second, and then think about the guys that are horrible at their job that you try to avoid at work. Nobody ever calls the CPO about those guys, everyone just bid avoids them.
 
At some point, it became common, perhaps acceptable, to drag your job dissatisfaction or personal problems into the cockpit. I'll listen to your problems over dinner and a beer, but when it's time to fly, I want your head in the game. Sloppy pre-flights and check-lists make me crazy. If you aren't in the game the first ten minutes how can I be confident that you'll be in the game in the last ten minutes?
 
Pilot Fighter said:
At some point, it became common, perhaps acceptable, to drag your job dissatisfaction or personal problems into the cockpit. I'll listen to your problems over dinner and a beer, but when it's time to fly, I want your head in the game. Sloppy pre-flights and check-lists make me crazy. If you aren't in the game the first ten minutes how can I be confident that you'll be in the game in the last ten minutes?
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I was just talking to my current captain about this today. I'll take anybody going on a political/religious rant in the cockpit over someone easy to get along with as long as they do their job. My extensive time on the internet has taught me very well how to let crazy go in one ear and out the other. But slack off to the point that I have to be the only reason things get done on every single leg, we're gonna have problems.
 
Gonzo said:
We are a little over a month away from the "ATP rule" yet I see and hear about the same problems we had with 300 hour pilots in the air. In fact a few CA have told me it is worse with the higher time pilots.
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Not really all that surprising.

BTW, tickets for Sebring '14 go on sale in Oct. Have you been stealing the tip money drunkenbeagle leaves on the table like I suggested?
 
CRJDriver said:
I think what's sad is that those guys that mess up constantly and shouldn't be flying at all only get a slap on the wrist, a visit to the training department and back on the line they are. If the company tries to get rid of them, the union will get them their job back.
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Oddly, there are actually rules to fire people. If the company would just follow them, it makes it so much easier. The union MUST fight for jobs, as it's part of their fiduciary responsibility. Typically guys that get fired get their jobs back because the company didn't either a) fire them for a proper reason or b) didn't dot their i's and cross their t's.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I was just talking to my current captain about this today. I'll take anybody going on a political/religious rant in the cockpit over someone easy to get along with as long as they do their job. My extensive time on the internet has taught me very well how to let crazy go in one ear and out the other. But slack off to the point that I have to be the only reason things get done on every single leg, we're gonna have problems.
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"We called ops; there's a maintenance hold on your release."
-no movement from left seat for 10 minutes- "I'mma preflight."
-preflight's done. still no movement-
"hmm, maybe someone should call MX control."
-10 minutes-
"Maybe someone should call MX control."
-10 minutes, now 10 min past scheduled time of departure-
"..."
 
Autothrust Blue said:
"We called ops; there's a maintenance hold on your release."
-no movement from left seat for 10 minutes- "I'mma preflight."
-preflight's done. still no movement-
"hmm, maybe someone should call MX control."
-10 minutes-
"Maybe someone should call MX control."
-10 minutes, now 10 min past scheduled time of departure-
"..."
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And that's why I don't believe in flow throughs.
 
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