Who/What are we going to blame the next one on?

Gonzo

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It has been a very interesting few months for me. I moved to a new plane so I have been flying with a lot of new captains and flight attendants. I have also been bidding different start/end days and times so I have found myself on the jumpseat a lot, both on my company and other regional airlines. My last year or so on the EMB I was kind of buddy biding with CAs and FAs, so for the most part I only flew with 4-5 CAs and the same number of FAs. Every once in a awhile I would get a "glad to see we are flying to together next month" from a CA or FA but I just took it as them being nice.

What I have been hearing from the CA I have been flying with and what I have seen sitting in the jumpseats makes me very scared to ride/put family on flights I am not flying or don't know the crew. I am not saying I am god gift to aviation, in fact if anyone knows me I am closer to hack then Yeager on the scale of piloting. That makes it even worse when my last few CA have thanked me for not being a d-bag and being a good FO (Being an FO at Eagle is the easiest job in the world you would have to work harder at being a bad FO then a good one). Based on what I have seen sitting in the jumpseat I believe it, is it really that hard to fly an airplane like a professional and act like a professional be it a CA or FO. If some of the guys I have seen care as much about how they acted and flew as they look, they would be great professional pilots. I am sure mainline has their share of unprofessional idiots but I haven't seen it to the level like I have heard and seen over the last few months.

Guys, I am asking you to speak up when you see things that aren't right. I have started to, I know nobody want to be that guy but we need to protect our profession. I don't care if people call me a rat or some guys don't want me in their jumpseat. If we want to get paid like professionals we need to act like professionals.

We are a little over a month away from the "ATP rule" yet I see and hear about the same problems we had with 300 hour pilots in the air. In fact a few CA have told me it is worse with the higher time pilots. So is it going to take another crash for the regional airlines to stop hiring log books and start hiring professional pilots.

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Sorry guys it is something me and DPApilot have talked about a good bit and has been building the last few weeks.
 
You say that "nobody wants to be that guy" when the truth is everybody should want to be that guy. The guy you shouldn't want to be is the guy that takes someone calling you out for poor discipline or unprofessional behavior like an attack on your person.
 
I can remember jumpseating way back when on a Continental Express ATR-42, I had more total time than the Captain and the FO combined. Not that that meant anything in particular, as the flight was conducted efficiently and professionally, it was just kind of amusing to me in terms of general experience. Another time on an Air Wisconsin BAe-146, it was almost similar in terms of time. Of course this was 6 years prior to 9/11 and it's changes, and the roller coaster of the industry since then; but it was just interesting to notice.

At that same time, at the crash pad I shared at KYUM with some SKW, Mesa, and Wings West flight crews, there were a number of Mesa guys from the San Juan college program who had some exceptionally low total time, that it was surprising.
 
You say that "nobody wants to be that guy" when the truth is everybody should want to be that guy. The guy you shouldn't want to be is the guy that takes someone calling you out for poor discipline or unprofessional behavior like an attack on your person.
I never got the "that guy" thing.

Come in, do your job safely, follow the rules, be honest with yourself and with others. It's that simple. While broFO is not as easy as jet FO, the task remains the same...
 
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It has been a very interesting few months for me. I moved to a new plane so I have been flying with a lot of new captains and flight attendants. I have also been bidding different start/end days and times so I have found myself on the jumpseat a lot, both on my company and other regional airlines. My last year or so on the EMB I was kind of buddy biding with CAs and FAs, so for the most part I only flew with 4-5 CAs and the same number of FAs. Every once in a awhile I would get a "glad to see we are flying to together next month" from a CA or FA but I just took it as them being nice.

What I have been hearing from the CA I have been flying with and what I have seen sitting in the jumpseats makes me very scared to ride/put family on flights I am not flying or don't know the crew. I am not saying I am god gift to aviation, in fact if anyone knows me I am closer to hack then Yeager on the scale of piloting. That makes it even worse when my last few CA have thanked me for not being a d-bag and being a good FO (Being an FO at Eagle is the easiest job in the world you would have to work harder at being a bad FO then a good one). Based on what I have seen sitting in the jumpseat I believe it, is it really that hard to fly an airplane like a professional and act like a professional be it a CA or FO. If some of the guys I have seen care as much about how they acted and flew as they look, they would be great professional pilots. I am sure mainline has their share of unprofessional idiots but I haven't seen it to the level like I have heard and seen over the last few months.

Guys, I am asking you to speak up when you see things that aren't right. I have started to, I know nobody want to be that guy but we need to protect our profession. I don't care if people call me a rat or some guys don't want me in their jumpseat. If we want to get paid like professionals we need to act like professionals.

We are a little over a month away from the "ATP rule" yet I see and hear about the same problems we had with 300 hour pilots in the air. In fact a few CA have told me it is worse with the higher time pilots. So is it going to take another crash for the regional airlines to stop hiring log books and start hiring professional pilots.

rant off

Sorry guys it is something me and DPApilot have talked about a good bit and has been building the last few weeks.
At Eagle, they definitely hired my logbook.

At SkyWest, not so much.

Not drinking haterade or anything, but the log book is the LAST thing that should be asked for during recruiting...if asked at all.
 
Absolutely. I you see something, speak up. Any captain worth the extra stripe is going to brief you on that when you get on the jumpseat.

Remember that if they screw something up and go to "The Big Brown Desk", you, as an ACM will have a seat reserved for you as well.

It's a job, not an extension of our egos.

"Reactor Core Six is overheating and the cooling system is failing!"

"What? YOU JUST SIT THERE AND SHUT YUUUUUR TRAP! I have more hours at this chair than you've been alive, blah blah blah"

***GLOOOOOWWWWWWW*** :)
 
Absolutely. I you see something, speak up. Any captain worth the extra stripe is going to brief you on that when you get on the jumpseat.

Remember that if they screw something up and go to "The Big Brown Desk", you, as an ACM will have a seat reserved for you as well.

It's a job, not an extension of our egos.

"Reactor Core Six is overheating and the cooling system is failing!"

"What? YOU JUST SIT THERE AND SHUT YUUUUUR TRAP! I have more hours at this chair than you've been alive, blah blah blah"

***GLOOOOOWWWWWWW*** :)
...were you on my jump seat That One Time?
 
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