Mike H
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But can you do it on a checkride or will it bust you?
I can only say I did it on my checkride and passed. But the DPE did want me to be able to explain what the purpose was of doing it.
But can you do it on a checkride or will it bust you?
No, the propeller slipstream reduces as you bring back the throttle thus producing less downforce from the horizontal stabilizer and thus the nose wants to pitch down. I flew a Piper Arrow many hours and it is very true with this model. It was standard practice at the school I was at to always arrive on short final with nose up trim applied to assist in the flare.
I doubt it. The landing maneuver is merely a large-radius, small load factor pull up maneuver that any airplane can do. One of the greatest obstacles to developing skill is to be convinced the skill is impossible to achieve. The instructor who spreads this sort of defeatist attitude isn't living up to his calling.
Personally, I would be greatly embarrassed to discover that I needed to carry power to have good landings in an airplane that other people could land power off. That would send me out to the traffic pattern for days until I could match that ability.
Thats a pretty bold statement unless you have flown every airplane in existence. I have flown a single that if you fly it by the numbers on a short field landing and pull power out before the round-out you will run out of elevator before touchdown. But I guess I just imagined it all and I am a horrible pilot.
Hmmm so your guaranteed to never be able to land this plane in the event of an engine failure, seems like a dangerous bird you have there.
Hmmm so your guaranteed to never be able to land this plane in the event of an engine failure, seems like a dangerous bird you have there.
Right, but not because "the nose becomes very heavy". It's already heavy. It will remain the same weight with power on or off.No, the propeller slipstream reduces as you bring back the throttle thus producing less downforce from the horizontal stabilizer and thus the nose wants to pitch down.
I meant the elevator pressure (Trim) becomes very heavy. I assumed that nobody actually would think weight was increased in the nose since we are all intelligent adults here.Right, but not because "the nose becomes very heavy". It's already heavy. It will remain the same weight with power on or off.
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I know. I'm just busting your eggs tonight...I have absolutely........nothing......else...............to do.I meant the elevator pressure (Trim) becomes very heavy. I assumed that nobody actually would think weight was increased in the nose since we are all intelligent adults here.
Nor did you increase your stick and rudder skills. It is shameful to carry power into the flare of a piston engine airplane, and it borders on a criminal act for an instructor to teach that to a student.
I doubt it. The landing maneuver is merely a large-radius, small load factor pull up maneuver that any airplane can do. One of the greatest obstacles to developing skill is to be convinced the skill is impossible to achieve. The instructor who spreads this sort of defeatist attitude isn't living up to his calling.
Personally, I would be greatly embarrassed to discover that I needed to carry power to have good landings in an airplane that other people could land power off. That would send me out to the traffic pattern for days until I could match that ability.
When did we start talking about short field landings? Wasn't this all started in reference to, "I carried power in until the end of the round out most of the time, and never really had a problem." ??? I doubt he is most of the time flying short field landings, would make sense to be normal operations.
WJ introduced short field into this, but to my recollection that wasn't what the discussion was about. It is for any traditional landing, sure there will be circumstances where other methods can be used. Again, that wasn't the discussion or the argument.
I simply chose to ignore his introduction of new ideas to the "normal ops" argument. My apologies.
Intake drag......if you chop the throttle your producing negative thrust...
Chicks dig beta.I never liked the term negative thrust. I have heard it a few times and it makes no sense. I assume you mean drag. Anyways, I'm not trying to pick a fight, just wanted to make that statement. It sounds like your saying there is a beta range on an Arrow.