jhugz
Well-Known Member
The CP wasn't in today will try to give my friend a call up though.
Might as well move to the Lav Now (Pop the Popcorn Out)
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The CP wasn't in today will try to give my friend a call up though.
bdhill1979
Gone West
I think that is the most important question to ask.
If you are just a box on the 135 legs, then why do you need a ride for the part 91 legs?????
Seems to me like they actually need SICs for the 135 legs and are just trying to find people dumb enough to pay for that instead of actually hiring and paying qualified pilots.
jhugz
Well-Known Member
I know for a fact that they don't need the SIC's.
bdhill1979
Gone West
Then why the checkride?
So the people that don't do their homework ahead of time get a warm fuzzy feeling?
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jhugz
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youngflyer
Well-Known Member
Uhh oh! That comment just added three pages to the thread life .........The last thing we need is you two arguing again. Just kidding Mike.
DPApilot
GUYSH! GUYSH! GUYSH!
Uhh oh! That comment just added three pages to the thread life .........The last thing we need is you two arguing again. Just kidding Mike.
James and i are cool
It's just that we dont agree on certain issues, like morals
youngflyer
Well-Known Member
What have I started?????
Even though I think they aren't using it now because of the hiring/ furlough situation, look to Airnet's SIC model as the standard to judge other 135 SIC programs.
AT Airnet SICs DO NOT:
Pay for Training.
Pay for Checkrides.
Pay for flight hours.
Only fly 91 Legs.
They DO:
Get paid a duty rig.
Get a 135 checkout.
Fly any leg except the first one per the discretion of the PIC.
While 99% of the time they are not needed in the airplane, the company (non union) decided to invest in these pilots by paying them anyway.
AT Airnet SICs DO NOT:
Pay for Training.
Pay for Checkrides.
Pay for flight hours.
Only fly 91 Legs.
They DO:
Get paid a duty rig.
Get a 135 checkout.
Fly any leg except the first one per the discretion of the PIC.
While 99% of the time they are not needed in the airplane, the company (non union
) decided to invest in these pilots by paying them anyway.
jhugz
Well-Known Member
James and i are cool
It's just that we dont agree on certain issues, like morals
Hey it just wouldn't be a thread of mine if it didn't go flamebait 8 different ways, go at least 10 pages long, at least 4 people get warnings, and end up in the lav sooner rather then later.
bdhill1979
Gone West
Even though I think they aren't using it now because of the hiring/ furlough situation, look to Airnet's SIC model as the standard to judge other 135 SIC programs.
AT Airnet SICs DO NOT:
Pay for Training.
Pay for Checkrides.
Only fly 91 Legs.
They DO:
Get paid a duty rig.
Get a 135 checkout.
Fly any leg except the first one per the discretion of the PIC.
While 99% of the time they are not needed in the airplane, the company (non union
Did Jerry start that?
Or did the AirNet SIC program come after he left?
No idea - it was there way before my time but I don't know if it goes back that far. Maybe some of the old timers know the answer to that one.
DPApilot
GUYSH! GUYSH! GUYSH!
:yup:
no it wouldnt!
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
People, I know the Castle operation well. The SIC checkout is for when he flies with the CP he can log SIC. The setup they have with the FAA only allows SIC to be logged with the CP on flights. The right seaters are able to fly with other pilots and log the part 91 legs. The payment is just to time build at Castle.
You aren't guarenteed a job once you hit 135 mins, depending on what they see of your skills, they may give you preference over outsiders, but that is all. Heck, they arent even hiring right now anyway.
As a review, the SIC slot is just for people to build time with. You are not guaranteed a job. This is no different than joe schmoe buying a block of multi time for time building purposes.
No pilots are displaced as SIC's are not required crew on any of Castle's aircraft.
Some people on this forum need to take a step back and breath before jumping in and trying to ravage a company/poster about something they do not know about.
Ian did point out how good Airnet is to SIC people. But fails to see a difference between Castle and Airnet. Airnet has a 1 year contract beginning after the PIC 135 checkout to protect their investment. Airnet had expected them to work for them, so they paid them. Castle does not give their SIC's a job at the end of training. That is the key difference. No pilots are displaced as no SIC's are required on any aircraft. Their largest aircraft is a Cheyenne II with a working autopilot. Why then does Castle offer the SIC program? People want to time build, so why not have them pay for some cheap turbine time and gain the safer operations from a multi-crew atmosphere and a little extra cash flow?
If you have the money and can't find a reasonable job in aviation currently, why not prep for the future and get a non-aviation job while flying some at night till aviation jobs start opening?
You aren't guarenteed a job once you hit 135 mins, depending on what they see of your skills, they may give you preference over outsiders, but that is all. Heck, they arent even hiring right now anyway.
As a review, the SIC slot is just for people to build time with. You are not guaranteed a job. This is no different than joe schmoe buying a block of multi time for time building purposes.
No pilots are displaced as SIC's are not required crew on any of Castle's aircraft.
Some people on this forum need to take a step back and breath before jumping in and trying to ravage a company/poster about something they do not know about.
Ian did point out how good Airnet is to SIC people. But fails to see a difference between Castle and Airnet. Airnet has a 1 year contract beginning after the PIC 135 checkout to protect their investment. Airnet had expected them to work for them, so they paid them. Castle does not give their SIC's a job at the end of training. That is the key difference. No pilots are displaced as no SIC's are required on any aircraft. Their largest aircraft is a Cheyenne II with a working autopilot. Why then does Castle offer the SIC program? People want to time build, so why not have them pay for some cheap turbine time and gain the safer operations from a multi-crew atmosphere and a little extra cash flow?
If you have the money and can't find a reasonable job in aviation currently, why not prep for the future and get a non-aviation job while flying some at night till aviation jobs start opening?
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
YGTBFKM
If you have the money right now, you're better served SAVING IT in this economy. Not dumping it into some dead-end PFT/PFJ scheme. Give me a break.
Dear Baby Jesus Christ. . .
Some of you people are off your damn rockers it is absolutely amazing!
Once again, qualified professionals are making a significant attempt to hold themselves to a certain standard. Why not join the good fight and get on the winning team instead of being part of the damn problem?
Maurus said:
If you have the money right now, you're better served SAVING IT in this economy. Not dumping it into some dead-end PFT/PFJ scheme. Give me a break.
Dear Baby Jesus Christ. . .
Some of you people are off your damn rockers it is absolutely amazing!
Once again, qualified professionals are making a significant attempt to hold themselves to a certain standard. Why not join the good fight and get on the winning team instead of being part of the damn problem?
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
PFT/J? they don't get a job when they hit 135 mins. How exactly are they paying for a job?
Did you pay to get your private? How about instrument? Commercial? CFI? CFII? MEI? How did you get the PIC required for your MEI? I bet somewhere in there you payed to build time to get to a point where you could get a job.
This SIC gig is just a time building system, nothing more, nothing less. People have bought C-150's to time build yet no one scolds, but once someone finds another way to time build for less money, it goes to hell.
If paying jobs were getting screwed, you would have a valid point, but Castle will operate the same whether they have 0 SIC's or 20 SIC's.
Now if you calmly explain why you feel it is PFT/J, go for it, but overreacting like in the above post does not solve anything.
Last I checked the movement of money is what keeps an economy running (IE no money go to business, business die and job loss follows). With the low interest rates being paired with high inflation rates saving money wont do any good. Not to mention the instability within the different banks.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
I'm sorry, but there's just something not right about paying a freight company to "time build." This isn't a flight school, it's a 135 freight hauler. Charging pilots to fly right seat and log questionable PIC time is just not on the up and up.