JetBlue unprofessionalism on display

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calcapt and Velo are the 737 experts around here, but that doesn't strike me as a very good idea for a multitude of reasons.

No it isn't. Its called aerodynamic braking. It works well on Cessnas and F-18s, but its the absolute worst way to stop a transport catagory airplane. Get the wheels on the deck...thrust reverse to 90/80 knots...then brakes. And Boeing now recommends the use of autobrakes ALL the time not only for efficent stopping but to increase brake wear as well.
 
Yeah, agreed.

Keep in mind the guy is probably 48 hour sleep deprived from the hospital and 2nd kid on the way. He might say something brighter assuming that.

Understand the kid on the way thing. I was more asking if the bus had carbon or steel brakes, honestly I don't know. I did some testing on carbon brakes in cars.....that was interesting. Note to anyone out there, Don't put carbon brakes on cars. Based on what I saw, they would probably wear the brakes twice as much, if not more, going to and from the gate than on one landing. Carbon Brakes LOVE heat. Ride em hard, put em away wet, and they are happy campers.
 
No it isn't. Its called aerodynamic braking. It works well on Cessnas and F-18s, but its the absolute worst way to stop a transport catagory airplane. Get the wheels on the deck...thrust reverse to 90/80 knots...then brakes. And Boeing now recommends the use of autobrakes ALL the time not only for efficent stopping but to increase brake wear as well.
I have that problem here. It goes back to training and where you came from. F-18s and Cessnas don't have Beta.
 
They will soon be having a union vote for the JetBlue Pilots Association. I hear that it's expected to pass by a wide margin.

Lets hope so. The one guy I know who's on the E190 out of JFK says the in house union will be a disaster. Look how we (well not me, but them) voted out ALPA, and the same with FedEx........

They look like something out of Starship Troopers. Ridiculous.

Now that I think of it....They actully do...
 
Lets hope so. The one guy I know who's on the E190 out of JFK says the in house union will be a disaster. Look how we (well not me, but them) voted out ALPA, and the same with FedEx........

Yeah, I'm sure it won't work well. We have an in-house union at AirTran (NPA), and people are screaming for an ALPA vote after years of horrible representation by the NPA. In-house unions just don't work in most cases. But at least the JetBlue guys will have a union already set up. It's much easier to get a merger with ALPA later on than to just wait until they're ready to vote for ALPA on the first shot.
 
Three or four years back I jumpseated on a United 737 going into ORD. On touchdown, the Captain held the nosewheel off until it wouldn't stay up any more, didn't touch the brakes, or use the reversers. It was like landing in my old Cessna. Airplane slowed down just fine, and didn't use much (more) runway. Safety wasn't compromised, traffic flow was not disrupted, and the the brakes, reversers, and engines were saved a little wear. It may not seem like much but, done systemwide, those little things add up to significant money savings.

Oooh man, I'd heavily suggest against aerobraking a large jet.
 
If that's JB's policy, I can understand it. Still, there's a time and a place for that policy. I don't think ATC would be too happy if the reason you wanted to roll to the end was to save the company $$ and pad your profit sharing when they've got 10 guys on final and 5 waiting to takeoff.
 
There's nothing wrong with requesting a "long landing" if you're trying to save the brakes, but if you presume it's copacetic without asking at a place like ATL, you're going to send someone around for sure. I think the ATC rep during recurrent a few years ago said it takes something like 90 minutes to two hours to recover from a single go-around because everything is so tightly sequenced.

Take a peek at the TCAS, then by all means ask because we really can't see "The Big Picture(tm)" from the cockpit and especially behind the keyboard.
 
Yeah, I'm sure it won't work well. We have an in-house union at AirTran (NPA), and people are screaming for an ALPA vote after years of horrible representation by the NPA. In-house unions just don't work in most cases.

That is the history of house Unions. It didn't work at FedEx. But, sometimes it takes a history of bad representation from your house Union to sway enough of the "uncommitted" to overwhelm the anti-ALPA crowd.

But at least the JetBlue guys will have a union already set up. It's much easier to get a merger with ALPA later on than to just wait until they're ready to vote for ALPA on the first shot.

I applaud the B6 guys for that. It only took them 6 years to figure out that airline managers DON'T have the interests of the labor groups at heart.

Oooh man, I'd heavily suggest against aerobraking a large jet.

No kidding. You take the risk of scraping the belly between the gear and the tail bumper if the struts flex down too much, especially on a 737-400. I know of three cases of that happening. Save the aerodynamic braking for your reserve F-15/F-16/F-18 flying.
 
Understand the kid on the way thing. I was more asking if the bus had carbon or steel brakes, honestly I don't know. I did some testing on carbon brakes in cars.....that was interesting. Note to anyone out there, Don't put carbon brakes on cars. Based on what I saw, they would probably wear the brakes twice as much, if not more, going to and from the gate than on one landing. Carbon Brakes LOVE heat. Ride em hard, put em away wet, and they are happy campers.
Ya know, i watched a video in training about brakes and it said the same as you.
 
No it isn't. Its called aerodynamic braking. It works well on Cessnas and F-18s, but its the absolute worst way to stop a transport catagory airplane. Get the wheels on the deck...thrust reverse to 90/80 knots...then brakes. And Boeing now recommends the use of autobrakes ALL the time not only for efficent stopping but to increase brake wear as well.


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Put the airplane on the end of the runway, get it slowed down using all available deceleration devices and then get the hell off the runway. I think this technique will serve you well over the course of your careers.
 
I say the cessna twin with a turboprop and I have two guys telling me about the caravan? Is there a twin caravan I don't know about?
 
I say the cessna twin with a turboprop and I have two guys telling me about the caravan? Is there a twin caravan I don't know about?
I was just clarifying that my time in a Cessna with Beta is in a Caravan. There is the 406 which was made by Reims under license from Cessna which some people call the Caravan II, but that's all I know about. That said, a twin engine Caravan (kinda like a mini-Twotter) would be a cool airplane.
 
I was just clarifying that my time in a Cessna with Beta is in a Caravan. There is the 406 which was made by Reims under license from Cessna which some people call the Caravan II, but that's all I know about. That said, a twin engine Caravan (kinda like a mini-Twotter) would be a cool airplane.
Ahh.

PT6A-67D beta on the 19 hondo' was a brute beaut.
 
I agree. A JB response was needed.

Now I know to assume Jetblue will save their precious brakes and eat up the entire runway any time we're in-trail.

Hopefully ATC gets the memo as well. In order to help JB save the brakes, they can put them in a hold while everybody else lands. At the end of a busy arrival period, they can then sequence JB in so that nobody else is affected. I'm kind of being sarcastic, but no doubt that'd end their brake saving procedure pretty quick.

Interestingly, I airline home about once/wk on JB and have yet to notice this practice. In fact, I was impressed with how quickly we turned off the other night at PBI.
 
Hopefully ATC gets the memo as well. In order to help JB save the brakes, they can put them in a hold while everybody else lands. At the end of a busy arrival period, they can then sequence JB in so that nobody else is affected. I'm kind of being sarcastic, but no doubt that'd end their brake saving procedure pretty quick.

Interestingly, I airline home about once/wk on JB and have yet to notice this practice. In fact, I was impressed with how quickly we turned off the other night at PBI.
A procedure that against common sense seems unlikely to be used widely. Sounds like a couple guys on here have just had some bad luck following the few that do it.

In fairness to jetblue I saw one of our saab 340's make american go around last night because he rolled all the way to M4. I was embarrassed for us.
 
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