JetBlue unprofessionalism on display
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To clarify the above, I'm not talking about the RWY incident, but the rudeness of the pilot in the elevator. Not so long ago while in BUR we were in the small terminal waiting for our inbound A319 to land from PHX so we could take it back (I had my ride back to PHL in mind) so I headed for a coffee right near the B6 gate, and the a320 crew was ahead of the A position F/A and I, and looked back at us and said, "Why won't you just accept it???". I said, "Accept What?". "You know..... date of hire...". (He knew I was West because of my cactus sticker on my bag, and my Integrity Matters lanyard.) I just went on to tell him that he has no place as one of the newest and most junoir pilot groups out there to call on us....I then closed with, "Try getting taken over by UA or DL then get back to me...." I'm not saying this tool bag represents B6, but it's typical scab manner.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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They will soon be having a union vote for the JetBlue Pilots Association. I hear that it's expected to pass by a wide margin.
They look like something out of Starship Troopers. Ridiculous.
CaptBill
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I appreciate the discussion this little event started. Everyone here has valid points and their own opinion as to what went down. As I said earlier, this is not an attempt by me to criticize JetBlue. The runway did indeed belong to the JetBlue crew and they had every legal right to occupy it as long as they felt necessary. I don't question that authority to any degree; however, that authority should not spill over into playing games with other aircraft or being so caught up in yourself that you fail to realize there are other aircraft operating around you. I personally believe that this particular crew at a minimum, disregarded common courtesy and occupied a runway longer than necessary knowing there was an aircraft on short final right behind them. That is my opinion based on conditions and radio transmissions and if you choose to disagree or take issue with my assesment, I respect that. The whole point of this thread was to remind others not to knowingly put other aircraft in a similar situation if you have the option not to do so.
Can we now move on to President Obama or some cool YouTube video?
Can we now move on to President Obama or some cool YouTube video?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Uh-oh...don't get PCL started on uniforms and professionalism...
I managed to restrain myself from launching into a full-on rant.
WacoFan
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Does anyone have a picture of this?
Are they worse or better than the SkyBus uniforms?
DPApilot
GUYSH! GUYSH! GUYSH!
I managed to restrain myself from launching into a full-on rant.
well thats no fun!:crazy:
jynxyjoe
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Well took a while but got word from one of the jetblue guys I know (he was in the hospital with a newborn). He says they don't aim for the end of the runway but they go real easy on the brakes because it costs money and cuts into the profit sharing.
Then he told me to make sure I mag check my Saab 340. Hehe, what a dick.
Then he told me to make sure I mag check my Saab 340. Hehe, what a dick.
So I guess the lesson of all this is that it should be accepted as fact that Jetblue pilots will take their time on the runway and if you're ever landing behind one, you should slow to FA speed a lot sooner. No matter what speed ATC assigns.
jynxyjoe
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Lesson? nah.
I'm in a saab. A good headwind I can go backwards so I'm not that worried. I get paid for go arounds anyway.
I've already said I'm not a fan of the practice and I don't let my FO's do that crap either. I don't work for jetblue though, just thought a jetblue response was in order (not officially sanctioned of course).
I agree. A JB response was needed.
Now I know to assume Jetblue will save their precious brakes and eat up the entire runway any time we're in-trail.
Wasn't assuming you worked for them (I know you don't) or pointing the finger. Hope it didn't come across that way. I'm saying it's a crappy practice and it's also one that nobody can control but the JB pilots themselves. And if profit sharing is indeed involved, I doubt it will change. And until it does, the rest of us just have to adapt. Potentially screwing up the inbound flow of traffic.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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This is a perfect example of how things like profit sharing instead of base compensation negatively affect safety.
Toria
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No matter what professional circle we travel in, we all do get frustrated upon occasion at work. That frustration can transform into motivation for positive and productive change, or disintegrate into counter production or mean spirited-ness. We all need to dissipate frustration or it can interfere with the rest of our day (or career). This is a fine example of simply letting the frustration out, facilitating a discussion, and making it go away. The bottom line when we are flying is safety. No matter how long it takes or what the economic impacts are, safety is our very first and most important concern. The go around was appropriate. The slow and lengthy taxi had some motivation behind it. We will never know what that was without the other side of the story from the actual crew. Speculate at will, from whatever angle you choose, but he most important thing is that safety was the primary issue and that is what happened, a safety issue.
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</OOldTownPilot
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Does the airbus have carbon or steel brakes?
If they are carbon brakes, the JB guys are fools for thinking this works.
If they are carbon brakes, the JB guys are fools for thinking this works.
Velocipede
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Absolutely correct. Now, I wasn't riding in CalCapt's flight deck, but if I had the fuel, I might have even gone around before the tower directed it. Why? I get paid by the minute and every missed approach is worth about $100 extra dollars on my paycheck.
I think you'll find the answer to your premise later in this multi-quote. PCL_128 nailed it.
The FAs look like tomatoes...
Think like tomatoes, too! LOL!
Not so much scab, I think than SJS. Guys who eagerly jump on the B6/VX/AGT/SX bandwagons are just looking for an early upgrade to an Airbus/MD-80 left seat. And they're quite willing to work for substandard wages to get there.
What they don't appreciate is that by doing so, they stab every other pilot (particularly Unionized ones) in the back. They lower the bar by demonstrating to our managers what pay rate they can get pilots to fly for.
What amazes ME is that these throat slashers then turn around and want to use our jumpseats to get to and from work without batting an eye. Why? Because they're pilots and think the "brotherhood of the air" owes them a free ride.
Sorry, slick. Cut my throat and you can find another way to work. You want to ride my jet, BUY A TICKET.
I loved Starship Troopers. Especially when the Brain Bug sucks people's brains out. Its sort of the same feeling I get when I fly a 4 day trip!
Absolutely. The technical term is situational awareness.
Once again, absolutely correct. I believe we have the responsibility as Captains not only to operate our aircraft safely, but for the small bit of the NAS we're currently occupying. If you NEED the whole runway, use it. However, if you get in the habit of USING the whole thing when you don't need it, one of these days you're going to draw one where the braking action is NIL at the end. Then, when you're off in the weeds how is "Well its Company policy to save on brake wear" going to sound at the NTSB hearing, especially if someone gets hurt?
Hesitant as I am to say ANYTHING complimentary about SX, their unis were head and shoulders above the "Johnny Cash" VX unis.
I'm sure we've often wondered why LUV gets "preferential" handling. I talked to an ATC specialist once on that topic. He said, "Well, we know that if we have a small hole, we can ask Southwest to do whatever is necessary to fill it."
Likewise, I had another ATC guy tell me about the MULE program.
Make United Last Everytime. Why? Because United pilots have a bad habit of not answering ATC radio calls on the first try. Listen for it...its pretty true.
Right on! Just like when 27 B6 pilots participated in an unsanctioned "test" of flying transcon turns with passengers aboard violating the 8 in 24 rule. Another case of SJS screwing the rest of us. They wanted a waiver so they could get over the magic 70 hours and kick in their time and a half pay rate earlier in the month. Why? To compensate for their low Captain rate of pay.
Of course, now that UA, LCC and to a lesser extent DL have used the bankruptcy court to lower their pilot's wages to the B6 rate, B6 isn't looking that bad. How are we AND B6 going to feel when the next round of cuts lowers the narrowbody Captain rate to VX's $95 an hour?
The giant sucking sound continues...
skydog
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Three or four years back I jumpseated on a United 737 going into ORD. On touchdown, the Captain held the nosewheel off until it wouldn't stay up any more, didn't touch the brakes, or use the reversers. It was like landing in my old Cessna. Airplane slowed down just fine, and didn't use much (more) runway. Safety wasn't compromised, traffic flow was not disrupted, and the the brakes, reversers, and engines were saved a little wear. It may not seem like much but, done systemwide, those little things add up to significant money savings.
jynxyjoe
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Yeah, agreed.
Keep in mind the guy is probably 48 hour sleep deprived from the hospital and 2nd kid on the way. He might say something brighter assuming that.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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calcapt and Velo are the 737 experts around here, but that doesn't strike me as a very good idea for a multitude of reasons.
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