BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
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surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Not really sure about the rest of you, but I finally reached my tipping point with the bidding issues.
I must absolutely recommend that if you are equally tired of the company shifting the blame to a third party that you email crew support/planning leadership (JH, and CH) while CC'ing CT and BH.
You'll be happy to know that a response from CT to me stresses that these problems are due to our pilots desire to utilize Sabre. More blame shifting from a "leader." Pilots fault, guess our hands are tied, no point trying to find a solution (Sarcasm, stated as if it is the current mindset within ATech)
I want to know what the hell our leadership is doing to help Sabre. Why is it, it seems, every month or two months, there is a delay in bid open or award publication. What creative solutions are our leaders developing to minimize the hardship for our pilots and families.
I must absolutely recommend that if you are equally tired of the company shifting the blame to a third party that you email crew support/planning leadership (JH, and CH) while CC'ing CT and BH.
You'll be happy to know that a response from CT to me stresses that these problems are due to our pilots desire to utilize Sabre. More blame shifting from a "leader." Pilots fault, guess our hands are tied, no point trying to find a solution (Sarcasm, stated as if it is the current mindset within ATech)
I want to know what the hell our leadership is doing to help Sabre. Why is it, it seems, every month or two months, there is a delay in bid open or award publication. What creative solutions are our leaders developing to minimize the hardship for our pilots and families.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
I'm speaking with CT this afternoon. His response to me was nothing more than an attempt to shift the blame - and of all things, from ExpressJet or Sabre and onto the pilots. I was amazed that he would try to pawn this off on the pilots. Essentially "Sabre was the vendor selected by the pilots. We work with ALPA and what they wanted."
Right, cause I know for an absolute FACT anytime our scheduling committee folks suggest a change to the way Sabre handles things it gets shot down by the Company because THE COMPANY is too lazy or inept to actually approach Sabre about changing something.
Pilots' fault my ass.
Right, cause I know for an absolute FACT anytime our scheduling committee folks suggest a change to the way Sabre handles things it gets shot down by the Company because THE COMPANY is too lazy or inept to actually approach Sabre about changing something.
Pilots' fault my ass.
juxtapilot
Snowflake
I'm curious to know what all you find out from him. Looking forward to talking to him and Brad when they visit our crewroom...
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
juxtapilot said:
Be prepared for a whole lot of nothing.
One thing I have found is that these guys are very cagey in public settings. They are very selective in what they say and do not provide any significant substance in responses. Do not be surprised if they leave the lounge earlier than the schedule says. Charlie, and I imagine Brad as well, has a communication gal that isn't necessarily the brightest red crayon in the box. Charlie may have been a good Marine, but he has failed to evolve with the times and is not necessarily a trust-worthy leader.
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
My no vote is as much a vote of no confidence in our management as it is a decision on this contract.
They could promise that if we sign this new contract that we'd take over the entire industry and everyone currently on property would suddenly become captains senior enough to have weekends off. But even if evidence supported that claim, I wouldn't believe they'd be able to pull it off.
They could promise that if we sign this new contract that we'd take over the entire industry and everyone currently on property would suddenly become captains senior enough to have weekends off. But even if evidence supported that claim, I wouldn't believe they'd be able to pull it off.
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
Whatever you do, stay far away from AIMS. It's coded by the owner's son and looks like a 6th grade database project.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Is Sabre what runs under Sked+?
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
jtrain609 said:
Yes, in short. Sabre is the company that manages FlightLine FLICA.
The system runs flawlessly unless Sabre's network infrastructure isn't prepared (how, after a couple dozen airlines have chosen Sabre as a vendor, do WE continually have network problems that hinder our pilots' ability to start bidding or have schedules published on time...?) for what we expect it to be prepared for.
It is nothing short of hilarious that FltOps leadership always tries to wipe their hands clean of any influence over the vendor. Never once accepting any responsibility of, or presenting a solution for, these issues regularly occurring.
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So, he and I agreed to chat at 1330. Either Atech's phones are down again, or his line has been shut off cause he isn't answering, nor is it even ringing. lol
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BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
You guys aren't the only company having issues with SABRE. It costs TONS of money to get them to do anything and because they have been the only company providing the product they do for a very long time, they haven't really made much attempt to update.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Perhaps you should show up to a "leadership" roadshow thing.
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surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Maurus said:
I do, and I have, attended their little road shows. They contain less substance than our ALPA National written JNC updates.
He eventually returned my phone call and we had a short conversation where he recognized frustration with the delays, but nothing more.
So...yeah...more of the same.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
Why aren't you writing them?
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Seggy said:
Very long story, but lets just say that when we (as in myself and my additional communication guru) attempted to write a joint comm regarding negotiations...someone, somewhere, always, in the review process slowed things down.
We (once again, myself and fellow comm guru) actually have a great relationship with our counterpart on the "other" MEC, so that was not where the process slowed.
I am led to believe that a member of ALPA legal did not support pilots writing to pilots. I am not aware if it was our CA or one of "theirs," or if it was the ALPA National legal individual that was sent down to help both groups reach an agreement.
In the end, both communication committees were eventually shut out from performing communication work related to negotiations. This not only impacted electronic communication but also our Pilot-2-Pilot programs which have been essentially moth balled due to leadership's decisions. Considering the technical skills that my counterparts on the other side, my other comm guru and myself have - was well - very strange.
And that Seggy is why I am not writing them. In short. I'd be more than happy to share the expanded version over the phone.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
You aren't the only group that has experienced this strange phenomenon. I stepped down as comm after serving for 2 years for similar reasons.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
You know...you have a graduate level trained strategic communicator, having worked with a number of small, medium, and even large organizations to improve internal and external communication and even branding - but with a specialization in crisis management - and a previous journalist/newsman that can write the pants off of nearly any issue at your disposal - and you shelve them from the process?
I have NEVER encountered such an organization that was lead by individuals who are afraid of being critically judged and challenged to accept new ways of communicating to a group that they represent.
In the end, considering the ridiculously disgusting terms of our latest TA, I am happy my hands are not dirty attempting to "highlight" this TA. Both MECs are quickly realizing the power of social media and a unified message, the problem is - for the two MECs, is that it is not the two MECs social media arena or message. I made a number of attempts to advise my leadership of such power, and yet the idea was never fully embraced. Their lose and the lose for our pilots who I am sure would have welcomed regular YouTube JNC updates or even briefings from MEC Chairman/Vice Chairman regarding current challenges that the MEC was addressing. The later going a long way to build value in the Association and reaffirm legitimacy as a bargaining agent willing to fight for and with our pilots.
Both pilot groups are more unified today than they were even two months ago and it is due in no small part to utilizing social media to bring the two groups together. I know at least one rep who thinks the collective of pilots expressing their frustration online is nothing more than a small nuisance. How simple a line of thinking.
In due time there will hopefully be some folks who are critical thinkers and problem solvers who will help guide this pilot group towards a respectable TA, perhaps - yes - with certain adjustments to help the Company along, but not this disaster that we are being sold, supposedly because this was "the best" they could deliver, all without utilizing all the tools within the toolbox.
I have NEVER encountered such an organization that was lead by individuals who are afraid of being critically judged and challenged to accept new ways of communicating to a group that they represent.
In the end, considering the ridiculously disgusting terms of our latest TA, I am happy my hands are not dirty attempting to "highlight" this TA. Both MECs are quickly realizing the power of social media and a unified message, the problem is - for the two MECs, is that it is not the two MECs social media arena or message. I made a number of attempts to advise my leadership of such power, and yet the idea was never fully embraced. Their lose and the lose for our pilots who I am sure would have welcomed regular YouTube JNC updates or even briefings from MEC Chairman/Vice Chairman regarding current challenges that the MEC was addressing. The later going a long way to build value in the Association and reaffirm legitimacy as a bargaining agent willing to fight for and with our pilots.
Both pilot groups are more unified today than they were even two months ago and it is due in no small part to utilizing social media to bring the two groups together. I know at least one rep who thinks the collective of pilots expressing their frustration online is nothing more than a small nuisance. How simple a line of thinking.
In due time there will hopefully be some folks who are critical thinkers and problem solvers who will help guide this pilot group towards a respectable TA, perhaps - yes - with certain adjustments to help the Company along, but not this disaster that we are being sold, supposedly because this was "the best" they could deliver, all without utilizing all the tools within the toolbox.
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