SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
The "alternative" is status quo. Sounds like it's much better than being pressured into taking a contract that is affected by ours. Would it be better to stretch out negotiations until we are back in negotiations? Perhaps.
XJT AIP
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The "alternative" is status quo. Sounds like it's much better than being pressured into taking a contract that is affected by ours. Would it be better to stretch out negotiations until we are back in negotiations? Perhaps.
juxtapilot
Snowflake
I hope you're right.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Clearly the MECs, except for the 3 that said no, didn't recognize the power of having a strategic communication specialist within our pilot group.
Social media is becoming a highly unifying tool for both pilot groups. Quite impressive really.
Maybe eventually "leadership" will realize you can't stand with the traditional "closed door/don't say anything" communication philosophy.
Social media is becoming a highly unifying tool for both pilot groups. Quite impressive really.
Maybe eventually "leadership" will realize you can't stand with the traditional "closed door/don't say anything" communication philosophy.
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Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
Yup. Like most, I had the TA in hand DAYS before it was released.
And other peoples summaries have been head and shoulders above what the MEC released.
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
For me it's a tie:
No duty rig
Moveable days off for reserves
Block out based on aircraft movement
No ACTUAL MMG. If you bid to fly less than 75, you get 65. What's the point in having one?
Leave the bidding stuff the way it is as it pertains to the TLV.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Screaming_Emu said:
You like those huh?
juxtapilot
Snowflake
You like those huh?
Did you write that big long one?
eightballfreight
Mission accomplished
So what is the next step after a no-vote?
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
juxtapilot said:
You'll have to PM, not sure which one you're talking about.
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
Pooping in V files.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
eightballfreight said:
Back to the negotiating table. Likely with continued mediation from the NMB.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
The Phantom Pooper now works for ASA?
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
Or maybe always has?
I believe you score bonus points if the v file is in a different airlines crew lounge.
PhilosopherPilot
Well-Known Member
I don't think the mediation is going to help much due to the concessions that Endeavor took, as well as some of the other truly awesome contracts out there. It's a poop sandwich.
I'm not saying you should vote yes, but I don't think things are going to improve.
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
Status quo is better than this TA. By the way, is everyone a member of the massive Facebook discussion group?
Edit: By everyone I mean actual ExpressJet pilots.
juxtapilot
Snowflake
Yea, there's a ton in there.
juxtapilot
Snowflake
It will when the industry changes. For that to happen UA and DL need to be told that their contractors can't staff the airplanes at current rates. I think the RJ industry is going to shrink dramatically in the next 5 years.
I'd rather XJT shut down than work under that new TA.
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
The company shrinking is inevitable. Unfortunately a lot of folks are going to see it as "OMG we voted 'No' and now they're shutting us down! Concessions or GTFO!!!1!11!!" Educate folks out on the line. The writing's on the wall for this place. If you are one of those willing to go down with the ship then good for you, but I'm not taking a pay cut for you to drown.
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
I was, but I couldn't stand that much angry every time I checked my phone.
Don't get me wrong, the TA sucks, and I'm a no vote. But being that angry takes entirely too much energy. Read the contract, decide it sucks, and vote when the time comes. I don't understand everyone's need to be personally offended by it. At least not anymore so than we do every time we show up for work at this gong show.