Want Turbine time? Gotta work for free...

Joe Gremlin said:
And whose fault is that? We see these ads and we like to blame it on the industry. We like to blame it on unscupulous company owners who place the ads. But whose fault is it really?

A person who gets their wallet stolen at gunpoint is a victim. A person who takes out their wallet, holds it over their head and yells someone please take this from me, is a sucker. I got no sympathy for suckers.
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It's our own damn fault! We put ourselves in this mess, unless we all come together and stop accepting low wages or working for free, it will never change. But like MikeD said, there will always be people working for free or willing to do the job for less.

I've been out of a job for a year now, and Ive gotten a few job offers, but due to the low pay or the working conditions I have turned them down. I know I did the right thing, but I am 100% sure they found somone else who was willing to accept it.
 
gliderboy said:
Standard procedure at our airport. Spend a couple of days a week exchanging labor for free training in the company's cargo ships. After a year or so, move to the left seat for $100~150 per day pay, then after another year or so move to one of the local airlines for a real job and good pay. The contacts you make during the process ensure your progress up the ladder, and before you know it you're making big bucks in big airplanes. (Or, if not big bucks, at least pretty good bucks!)

Seems like a good deal to me. I'm midway through this process now and having a blast! Fun people to work with, cool airplanes to fly and the immense satisfaction of seeing my skills improve as I mature into a professional pilot.

To those pilot-wannabes unwilling to pay these dues I just say: Step aside.
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So exactly what airport is this?
 
These posts really get old. You are not paid what you "should" be paid. You are paid what the market will allow.

Teachers get 35K/year and playing basketball can get you millions.


Honestly. Get over it!
 
gliderboy said:
Standard procedure at our airport. Spend a couple of days a week exchanging labor for free training in the company's cargo ships. After a year or so, move to the left seat for $100~150 per day pay, then after another year or so move to one of the local airlines for a real job and good pay. The contacts you make during the process ensure your progress up the ladder, and before you know it you're making big bucks in big airplanes. (Or, if not big bucks, at least pretty good bucks!)

Seems like a good deal to me. I'm midway through this process now and having a blast! Fun people to work with, cool airplanes to fly and the immense satisfaction of seeing my skills improve as I mature into a professional pilot.

To those pilot-wannabes unwilling to pay these dues I just say: Step aside.
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Congrats, they are not just big!...They're BRASS TOO!!!!!

Please prattle on, what do you mean by "training". What certificate?
 
gliderboy said:
Standard procedure at our airport. Spend a couple of days a week exchanging labor for free training in the company's cargo ships. After a year or so, move to the left seat for $100~150 per day pay, then after another year or so move to one of the local airlines for a real job and good pay. The contacts you make during the process ensure your progress up the ladder, and before you know it you're making big bucks in big airplanes. (Or, if not big bucks, at least pretty good bucks!)

Seems like a good deal to me. I'm midway through this process now and having a blast! Fun people to work with, cool airplanes to fly and the immense satisfaction of seeing my skills improve as I mature into a professional pilot.

To those pilot-wannabes unwilling to pay these dues I just say: Step aside.
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So which communist country do you live in?
 
MikeD said:
.....and there will always be someone willing to jump at a job like this.

As bad as airline guys harp on airline management and CEOs, like Ornstein for example (though he's no saint at all); if Ornstein somehow legally cut their already low wages by 50%, he'd still have a stack of resumes of people wanting to fly his planes.
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And that's exactly what I was saying. There are prostitutes who are selling themselves because someone is forcing them to do so. And then there are prostitutes who are selling themselves because it makes them money. One is a victim, the other is a word which the forum filters out but rhymes with oar. I think we tend to look at these fly for free situations and feel sorry for the victims. But I don't seen any victims here, I only see the word that rhymes with oar.
 
gliderboy said:
Standard procedure at our airport. Spend a couple of days a week exchanging labor for free training in the company's cargo ships. After a year or so, move to the left seat for $100~150 per day pay, then after another year or so move to one of the local airlines for a real job and good pay. The contacts you make during the process ensure your progress up the ladder, and before you know it you're making big bucks in big airplanes. (Or, if not big bucks, at least pretty good bucks!)

Seems like a good deal to me. I'm midway through this process now and having a blast! Fun people to work with, cool airplanes to fly and the immense satisfaction of seeing my skills improve as I mature into a professional pilot.

To those pilot-wannabes unwilling to pay these dues I just say: Step aside.
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You're a professional pilot?

Doesn't sound like it to me. A professional charges for his/her services. Sorry to sound harsh, but your post is exactly why this industry sucks. :dunno:
 
gliderboy said:
Standard procedure at our airport. Spend a couple of days a week exchanging labor for free training in the company's cargo ships. After a year or so, move to the left seat for $100~150 per day pay, then after another year or so move to one of the local airlines for a real job and good pay. The contacts you make during the process ensure your progress up the ladder, and before you know it you're making big bucks in big airplanes. (Or, if not big bucks, at least pretty good bucks!)

Seems like a good deal to me. I'm midway through this process now and having a blast! Fun people to work with, cool airplanes to fly and the immense satisfaction of seeing my skills improve as I mature into a professional pilot.

To those pilot-wannabes unwilling to pay these dues I just say: Step aside.
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Bold #1 tells me you've heard about a few people who have have good luck, and think they are the norm.

Bold #2 tells me you're still young enough to think that simply wanting something will make it happen. Disney channel doesn't reflect real life.

Bold #3 tells me you have little or no financial responsibilities, and are yet to experience what your parents had to do in order to pay foo your lessons.

Bold#4 tells me that with your attitude, most professional pilots won't think much of you.
 
Joe Gremlin said:
And whose fault is that? We see these ads and we like to blame it on the industry. We like to blame it on unscupulous company owners who place the ads. But whose fault is it really?

A person who gets their wallet stolen at gunpoint is a victim. A person who takes out their wallet, holds it over their head and yells someone please take this from me, is a sucker. I got no sympathy for suckers.
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Excatly. Then you have guys that bitch and moan about how bad things are now-the same guys that paid for their types/training back in the eighties and ninties. Well hey, guess what buddy, look in the mirror and say Thank You. You guys are part of the problem (along with all the people that hire on to go to great outfits like Colgan/Mesa/insert regional airline name here.)
 
My, my, so much anger!

A spoiled child gets angry when the world is not what they want it to be.

The adult accepts reality and adjusts his life accordingly.
 
Joe Gremlin said:
And that's exactly what I was saying. There are prostitutes who are selling themselves because someone is forcing them to do so. And then there are prostitutes who are selling themselves because it makes them money. One is a victim, the other is a word which the forum filters out but rhymes with oar. I think we tend to look at these fly for free situations and feel sorry for the victims. But I don't seen any victims here, I only see the word that rhymes with oar.
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I agree with everything you said, except for the bold portion. If you don't have the common sense to see that you're only hurting yourself in the long run, then you deserve the pain.
 
gliderboy said:
...as I mature into a professional pilot.

To those pilot-wannabes unwilling to pay these dues I just say: Step aside.
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Well that's just fantastic... but until you actually are a professional pilot, I'd suggest you step aside and listen to those of us who actually get paid for our jobs!
 
gliderboy said:
To those pilot-wannabes unwilling to pay these dues I just say: Step aside.
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Paying your dues is working a flying job with less-than-ideal wages in a less-than-ideal location and with less-than-ideal job conditions.

Night freight in broken-down pistons with minimal IFR equipment is paying your dues. Starving as a CFI with an occasional charter gig is paying your dues. Missionary flying in the back-end of the Third World is paying your dues. Having Uncle Sam tell you where to be--tomorrow--how long you'll be there and not being able to say a thing about it is paying your dues.

Paying your dues is not undermining the whole profession by taking what should be a paying job and doing it for free.
 
CRJDriver said:
It's our own damn fault! We put ourselves in this mess, unless we all come together and stop accepting low wages or working for free, it will never change. But like MikeD said, there will always be people working for free or willing to do the job for less.

I've been out of a job for a year now, and Ive gotten a few job offers, but due to the low pay or the working conditions I have turned them down. I know I did the right thing, but I am 100% sure they found somone else who was willing to accept it.
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Unfortunately this qualifies as post of the year 2010. All the whining does nothing, the good old times are over and it's time to bury them.
 
gliderboy said:
My, my, so much anger!

A spoiled child gets angry when the world is not what they want it to be.

The adult accepts reality and adjusts his life accordingly.
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