Want Turbine time? Gotta work for free...

[Patrick]

What is a local airline?

I was thinking the same thing. Hence why I'm very curious where "nowhere USA" is.

 

[wrxpilot]

I was thinking the same thing. Hence why I'm very curious where "nowhere USA" is.

Must be Great Lakes. I hear they're a great airline paying big money.

 

[derg]

Don't do it.

 

[Inverted]

This problem wont be fixed until Pilot's stop taking these types of jobs. You have no idea how many hits this guy got I bet...

 

[derg]

This problem wont be fixed until Pilot's stop taking these types of jobs. You have no idea how many hits this guy got I bet...

Correcto.

 

[mshunter]

Standard procedure at our airport. Spend a couple of days a week exchanging labor for free training in the company's cargo ships. After a year or so, move to the left seat for $100~150 per day pay, then after another year or so move to one of the local airlines for a real job and good pay. The contacts you make during the process ensure your progress up the ladder, and before you know it you're making big bucks in big airplanes. (Or, if not big bucks, at least pretty good bucks!)

Seems like a good deal to me. I'm midway through this process now and having a blast! Fun people to work with, cool airplanes to fly and the immense satisfaction of seeing my skills improve as I mature into a professional pilot.

To those pilot-wannabes unwilling to pay these dues I just say: Step aside.

With an attitude like that, your gonna make a tone of friends around here.

 

[mshunter]

Does anyone smell the next ban comming on?

 

[mshunter]

Patterns only.
Regionals are allowed to leave the pattern, Locals crash either before getting airborne or within 5SM of the departure airport. I guess.
Great pilots though!

And just ehre have you been? Good to see ya back.

 

[tonyw]

Actual job posting! This industry will never change :banghead:

I can't believe that people don't get that job means pay.

More people need to get the mindset that if you pretend to pay me, I'll pretend to work. Show me the money or I won't show up.

 

[Bandit_Driver]

Must be Great Lakes. I hear they're a great airline paying big money.

Great Mistakes....:rotfl:

Standard procedure at our airport. Spend a couple of days a week exchanging labor for free training in the company's cargo ships. After a year or so, move to the left seat for $100~150 per day pay, then after another year or so move to one of the local airlines for a real job and good pay. The contacts you make during the process ensure your progress up the ladder, and before you know it you're making big bucks in big airplanes. (Or, if not big bucks, at least pretty good bucks!)

Seems like a good deal to me. I'm midway through this process now and having a blast! Fun people to work with, cool airplanes to fly and the immense satisfaction of seeing my skills improve as I mature into a professional pilot.

To those pilot-wannabes unwilling to pay these dues I just say: Step aside.

Professionals are paid during training....

And the race to the bottom continues

 

[NEOHIO]

Small (ridiculous) laugh over this whole situation. My company elected to pay for the insurance to allow me to fly our new mustang single pilot. After getting through flightsafety 2 week initial and flying 50 hours with a mentor pilot, I figured that on certain trips it would be advantageous to have another pilot in the airplane with me. I would never "dangle a carrot" and not pay for a pilot's services.

A pilot's time is worth money! We are specialists in our field, and deserve to be paid for our services.

 

[SteveC]

Does anyone smell the next ban comming on?

People don't get banned for speaking their opinion. They get banned for consistently and blatantly disregarding Doug's rules for his living room.

It's really not too complicated.

 

[Firebird2XC]

Small (ridiculous) laugh over this whole situation. My company elected to pay for the insurance to allow me to fly our new mustang single pilot. After getting through flightsafety 2 week initial and flying 50 hours with a mentor pilot, I figured that on certain trips it would be advantageous to have another pilot in the airplane with me. I would never "dangle a carrot" and not pay for a pilot's services.

A pilot's time is worth money! We are specialists in our field, and deserve to be paid for our services.

Amen, brother, amen.

 

[Chief Captain]

First of all I've got 500 hours doing scenic tours, so I guess that makes me a professional (sort of). But as most of you know, to get a real job you need night, turbine, multi and instrument--that's where the freight outfit comes in.

In addition to the Caravans we've got two Beech 18s (Yes, they leak water all over the instruments when we fly in the rain--what fun!) And because they puke oil all over the place we get to clean them, too!

Ok, so we should agree that your mindset is the way ahead because you've got 500TT (you must be a sky god) and you fly planes in less than perfect condition (you deserve a medal for your bravery and suffering).

The bit in bold is most interesting. I assume that your scenic tours do not meet the requirements of "a real job". So is it a fake job? If it's a fake job, then I assume you don't get paid for that.

It all becomes clear. You're a volunteer who does scenic tours. Now I understand- you'd rather volunteer your time in a multi than in a single. Am I reading you right?

Ok. Let's get serious now glider. Do you really not see how the "will fly for free" attitude hurts everybody (yourself included) in the long run? If you have even the slightest doubt, we'll be happy to explain it to you, but please, don't let blindfolds be pulled over your eyes.

 

[gliderboy]

A bit presumptuous, aren't we?

No, I'm paid for the tour flying, that's how I paid for all my ratings. Never saw the inside of flight school, either. Did it all on my own. (Paid my way to a BA at a major university as well, plus a year of grad school, not that it matters.)

As "being exploited goes," in addition to the great training we get, our company lets us use their planes for our ATP and 135 check rides and the company pays for the gas.

No big deal, but it's about 850TT now, and I'll start studying for the ATP later this year.

 

[Douglas]

No, I'm paid for the tour flying, that's how I paid for all my ratings. Never saw the inside of flight school, either.

First of all I've got 500 hours doing scenic tours,

Did you really mean to say that you paid for your ratings with 500 hours of work?
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company lets us use their planes for our ATP and 135 check rides and the company pays for the gas.

Geez, I'd hope they let you use the plane on the charter certificate. I starting to get the feeling that you don't understand how this works.

I'm pretty slow to call somebody a troll, but you don't make sense/severely misguided.

 

[mxflyer]

Great Mistakes....:rotfl:



Professionals are paid during training....

And the race to the bottom continues

Race to the bottom, I like that saying. I've also heard it compared to a bucket of lobsters trying to escape. As soon as one makes it to the rim the others grab it and pull it back down with the rest. :crazy:

 

[Chief Captain]

No, I'm paid for the tour flying, that's how I paid for all my ratings. Never saw the inside of flight school, either. Did it all on my own. (Paid my way to a BA at a major university as well, plus a year of grad school, not that it matters.)

Commendable. For somebody who paid for his flight training himself, you have a very strange attitude towards your money.

I'm curious about the bold portion though. You never went to a flight school?

 

[kellwolf]

No, I'm paid for the tour flying, that's how I paid for all my ratings.

Shouldn't you have had the ratings BEFORE you started getting paid? I mean, at least the private single and commercial. I'm assuming it's a single engine for the tour op.

 

[Boris Badenov]

Flying a turbine is its own reward. You just wouldn't understand till you've done it. If you pay me a couple grand I'll let you fly for me and I'll take a nap. It'll be worth it.