US Airways increases offer for Delta Air Lines

I agree there are TONS of work to be done still with prior business. But to get the full benefit of the merger, DL (or NW) still need to be in bankruptcy.

And about that hell to pay, if HP could take on WN...DL is not going to be a problem.

Wouldn't exactly say that HP "took on" WN. Ask someone in FL or TX who America West and they'll say "Uh, who?" Why do you think they stuck with US Airways brand instead of America West? Recognition.

US Airways still has a whole TON of internal trouble right now on the labor front. They'll need the employees on board to pull this one off, and right now the pilots AREN'T. They haven't finished their last merger and they're wanting to pull off a new, bigger one? Doesn't sound very smart to me.

Like you said, you can't ignore problems hoping they'll go away, which, IMO is what Parker is doing. By making a "mega carrier," he seems to be hoping people will ride the happy train with him on this and sweep some internal problems under the rug.

Is consolidation good for the industry? Perhaps in some markets, yeah. But this merger isn't the one.
 
I've remained silent as long as I can. No disrespect is intended toward anyone here, in anything I'm about to say.

Delta people are, by and large, infected with the notion that Parker is as evil and rotten as they come ... that basically, he makes Lorenzo look like a teddy bear. Is he perfect? HELL, NO! But he ain't as bad as the KDMD crowd likes to make it seem. He brought back HP from the brink after 9/11, and after two bankruptcies and drain-circling ad infinitum, he did the HP/US merger and has turned the combined airline in to a profitable, sustainable entity. (And Max, check a timetable. 16 cities in Europe, to be 19 this coming summer. Second only to AA in the Caribbean. This is not a regional with Airbuses by any stretch.) How many others of the Big Six are going to pay profit-sharing this year?

Have the employees taken it in the tail? Sure. But truth be told, most of the crap the US East employees have taken came during two bankruptcies before the post-merger management team arrived. Most of that is from the Wolf/Gangwal/Siegel/Lakefield cabal. I think there are still effigies in the hangar.

Employees aren't going to get anywhere bitching and moaning about all they've lost ... it sucks, I know. But it is what it is, and the best way forward is to concentrate on making the industry stable, and consolidation is the way to do that.

Now, the meat of the merger ... the creditors. They'll be making the decision about whether this ultimately happens or not. And they care about one thing ... losing as little money as possible. The creditors committee hired Gordon Bethune to assist in analyzing this proposal. Gordo met with Parker & Co. recently ... the result of that meeting was this increased offer. Read between the lines, folks. The creditors are counting their money, and the revised offer means they'll get more cents on the dollar than a REASONABLE estimate of DL's standalone plan, and they'll get it sooner. That's where the rubber meets the road.

So where does that leave us? At the Justice Department. One of the shuttles will have to be sold. Perhaps some gate space at LGA (the MAT?), maybe an LGW slot or two. But this argument that all competition would vanish? Poppycock. Do you know how many nonstop markets that currently have competition would, if this thing goes through, have none? TWO. That's right, TWO. TWO. TWO. TWO. TWO. PHL-CVG and CLT-CVG. That's it. End of list.

All this concern about small airports in the Southeast with only US and DL service? (FLO, FAY, and the like.) Anybody who lives in those places will tell you that fares are no bargain on either airline, competition or no. And US Airways has been cutting fares in competition-free markets since the HP merger ... places like HTS and MDT, where there isn't much competition, and none from the LCCs.

Don't anybody call me a Kool-Aid drinker. I've read all the Kool-Aid from both sides ... I've read DeltaNet and KDMD from that side of the house. I've read TheHub and BABA from the other side. I've seen the facts, I've seen the exaggerations and stretched truths. I've applied my Mark One Human Brain to the situation and made my own analysis. I'm not sipping anybody's Kool-Aid. I just call 'em like I see 'em.
 
I've remained silent as long as I can. No disrespect is intended toward anyone here, in anything I'm about to say.

Delta people are, by and large, infected with the notion that Parker is as evil and rotten as they come ... that basically, he makes Lorenzo look like a teddy bear. Is he perfect? HELL, NO! But he ain't as bad as the KDMD crowd likes to make it seem. He brought back HP from the brink after 9/11, and after two bankruptcies and drain-circling ad infinitum, he did the HP/US merger and has turned the combined airline in to a profitable, sustainable entity. (And Max, check a timetable. 16 cities in Europe, to be 19 this coming summer. Second only to AA in the Caribbean. This is not a regional with Airbuses by any stretch.) How many others of the Big Six are going to pay profit-sharing this year?

Have the employees taken it in the tail? Sure. But truth be told, most of the crap the US East employees have taken came during two bankruptcies before the post-merger management team arrived. Most of that is from the Wolf/Gangwal/Siegel/Lakefield cabal. I think there are still effigies in the hangar.

Employees aren't going to get anywhere bitching and moaning about all they've lost ... it sucks, I know. But it is what it is, and the best way forward is to concentrate on making the industry stable, and consolidation is the way to do that.

Now, the meat of the merger ... the creditors. They'll be making the decision about whether this ultimately happens or not. And they care about one thing ... losing as little money as possible. The creditors committee hired Gordon Bethune to assist in analyzing this proposal. Gordo met with Parker & Co. recently ... the result of that meeting was this increased offer. Read between the lines, folks. The creditors are counting their money, and the revised offer means they'll get more cents on the dollar than a REASONABLE estimate of DL's standalone plan, and they'll get it sooner. That's where the rubber meets the road.

So where does that leave us? At the Justice Department. One of the shuttles will have to be sold. Perhaps some gate space at LGA (the MAT?), maybe an LGW slot or two. But this argument that all competition would vanish? Poppycock. Do you know how many nonstop markets that currently have competition would, if this thing goes through, have none? TWO. That's right, TWO. TWO. TWO. TWO. TWO. PHL-CVG and CLT-CVG. That's it. End of list.

All this concern about small airports in the Southeast with only US and DL service? (FLO, FAY, and the like.) Anybody who lives in those places will tell you that fares are no bargain on either airline, competition or no. And US Airways has been cutting fares in competition-free markets since the HP merger ... places like HTS and MDT, where there isn't much competition, and none from the LCCs.

Don't anybody call me a Kool-Aid drinker. I've read all the Kool-Aid from both sides ... I've read DeltaNet and KDMD from that side of the house. I've read TheHub and BABA from the other side. I've seen the facts, I've seen the exaggerations and stretched truths. I've applied my Mark One Human Brain to the situation and made my own analysis. I'm not sipping anybody's Kool-Aid. I just call 'em like I see 'em.

Baaaaahhh. Delta should stand alone or buy NWA period! Ooooooh,breaks over!
 
I don't think Parker is evil, or Crandell-esque, but I do think he's a bit overzealous. Let's finish one merger/aquisition/takeover before pulling out all the guns to start another!
 
I don't think Parker is evil, or Crandell-esque, but I do think he's a bit overzealous. Let's finish one merger/aquisition/takeover before pulling out all the guns to start another!

Correcto.

And the pilots have a $3 billion-plus claim which more or less out trumps the $2 billion from the "please, read Doug's memo!" creditor's group.
 
Now wait a minute. I don't see anybody cheating on anybody here.

I was noting that, that drama looks more interesting than yours!

Well, maybe I spoke too soon.

http://forums.jetcareers.com/showthread.php?t=37843

:)
Don't think so. It's true that all the carriers needed to get through a reorganization, but a post-emergence merger shouldn't be a problem. In fact it could be made part of the plan.

It wouldn't be a problem, you are correct. However, by waiting until the carriers are out of bankrupcty cancels out a lot of benefits that are needed. The HP/US merger would not have happened if US wasn't in bankruptcy.

I suspect one of the reasons Parker is being so aggressive is he knows that eventually he will be facing mega-carriers like those and doesn't want to get shut-out of international routes.

Can you blame him. I am no Parker disciple (regardless of my posts here), but I do think it is refreshing to have a CEO that builds for the future and is willing to take risks. Instead of the "let's wait and see what the other guys do" mentality that USAir has been use to.

Wouldn't exactly say that HP "took on" WN. Ask someone in FL or TX who America West and they'll say "Uh, who?" Why do you think they stuck with US Airways brand instead of America West? Recognition.

Like you said, you can't ignore problems hoping they'll go away, which, IMO is what Parker is doing. By making a "mega carrier," he seems to be hoping people will ride the happy train with him on this and sweep some internal problems under the rug.

Who cares of HP isn't known if Florida. They have been fighting WN at its only hubs for years, and have done a damn good job too.

With regards to the labor issues (HP vs. US), I actually think they will be united in this merger....against DL.

I don't think Parker is evil, or Crandell-esque, but I do think he's a bit overzealous.

But maybe that is what we need. Being conservative really doesn't work in this industry for long.
 
Is it just me, or do you just hate US Airways? And why?

Eh, I harbor no ill will towards US Airways. I just don't think that the merger makes sense on so many levels. Like others have said clean your own house before you come over to mine telling me its dirty. Furthermore Delta is my favorite airline (since childhood) and I believe it should remain Delta and not Delta with Airways management calling the shots.

A tad bit A.netish but there ya go!
 
Delta's creditors are going to do whats best for them and not the employees. The only question is if they think DL will be profitable post bankruptcy.

I love US Airways, they are my favorite, but Parker is getting a little carried away. Pull off the Airways one completely before you try taking over one of the most successful airlines in the world.
 
Who cares of HP isn't known if Florida. They have been fighting WN at its only hubs for years, and have done a damn good job too.

Fighting in one hub isn't the same as fighting in multiple locations on multiple routes both domestic and international. PHX is one thing, but how does HP do against SWA (or any other LCC) in places like BWI, MCO, MDW, DAL, HOU, etc? If HP had been holding their own in more than one hub against SWA, then I would say they were fighting them off. Until then, they're just treading water and gathering spill over from oversold flights.

With regards to the labor issues (HP vs. US), I actually think they will be united in this merger....against DL.

And THAT'S what's wrong with this. Ask TWA and AA how well pitting two pilot groups that could soon be co-workers against each other works. There are numerous examples in airline history of this happening, and MOST come out with a splintered pilot group that is distrustful of one another post-merger. Instead of being the united, happy company people think, the pilot groups are two or three groups that don't like each other under one name. If it goes through like you say, then do you think it's right for the HP/US guys to treat DL pilots like second class citizens?

Flying the Line Vol 1 and 2 should be REQUIRED reading from this point out....
 
Correcto.

And the pilots have a $3 billion-plus claim which more or less out trumps the $2 billion from the "please, read Doug's memo!" creditor's group.

Curious, how does it out trump any other claims, particuarly creditors?



I guess I'm slow. What votes where? I'll admit I don't follow this stuff very closely, so a layman's explanation would be nice. :)
 
So if the LCC/DAL merger fails but the DAL/NWA merger is approved what does that mean for DL's current hiring forecast? And might there also be furloughs? Also who will be purchasing who, and what would the name be? Delta or Northwest?
 
Fighting in one hub isn't the same as fighting in multiple locations on multiple routes both domestic and international. PHX is one thing, but how does HP do against SWA (or any other LCC) in places like BWI, MCO, MDW, DAL, HOU, etc? If HP had been holding their own in more than one hub against SWA, then I would say they were fighting them off. Until then, they're just treading water and gathering spill over from oversold flights.

Brother, HP has been fighting WN on ALL of their routes. Since pre-merger HP practically only flew from PHX and LAS, their whole network is competiting against WN. Much more competition as a percentage than any other airline.

And THAT'S what's wrong with this.

This happens with all mergers, regardless of the company or industry. Nobody is going to like their merged partner at first.

(However, I will acknowledge that it is going to get real ugly at first, mostly fueled by this anti-US campaign. It sounds like Hitler is trying to take over)

If it goes through like you say, then do you think it's right for the HP/US guys to treat DL pilots like second class citizens?

I promise you that the most ruthless employee's would come from the DL front. (Not saying they are bad guys)
 
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