scooter2525
Very well Member
I would think if this was a top story on the news, that might change things a little bit.
TSA Snafu Damages Nine Planes at O'Hare Field
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Goonie
Never say die
No way!!
Long time ago I used to fuel for Allied Aviation at DFW and some jackass forgot to chock his fuel truck and it rolled into a loaded Saab.
He got escorted off by security gaurd.
tonyw
Well-Known Member
And the more you can work the safety angle into it -- and this WAS a safety issue from what you guys are saying -- the more they will pay attention.
The last thing any politician needs is someone saying, well, I wrote him a letter saying that if the TSA keeps on messing around with our airplanes, something bad might happen and he didn't do anything about it.
I wouldn't be surprised. A certain TSA agent planned a sneak attack against one of our crewmembers not too long ago. He was walking around with a TSA t-shirt on with no SIDA badge and wrote up a first officer for not challenging him while in the secured area!
In ATL, they usually just run off, never to return. Because they know the next step is a drug test.
A while back, a captain took one of those axes on an overnight so he could take it through security in the morning. He was trying to prove a point, because as we all know, that plane ain't going nowhere without it.
Pretty clever, I think.
fly6785
Well-Known Member
I have to say no as well to this one... When I worked for a airline based out of Memphis
... We got pushed back from the gate and while they were disconnecting the tug the whole front of the airplane shook for like a second... I see this ramper running away holding his head... We started getting Ice detection cautions and turns out he bent the Ice Detector Probe IN HALF with his head:sitaware: after raising up from disconnecting... He got fired and he was a well known ramper... They said he had a HUGE hole in his head from that...
germb747
Well-Known Member
The following is TSA's response to their actions, posted from TSA's blog <http://www.tsa.gov/blog>. Can you believe that TSA actually wants to fine Eagle for this! Should be the other way around. Heads at TSA need to roll, now! :banghead:
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Information on the Chicago Aircraft Inspections
There have been some questions on our blog and elsewhere about the Chicago aircraft inspections.
Also, I've noticed some confusion out there, so please note that this involved a Transportation Security Inspector, (TSI) not a Transportation Security Officer. (TSO)
Here's what we posted on our website.
On August 19 a Transportation Security Inspector (TSI) was conducting a routine compliance inspection on aircraft parked on the airfield at Chicago’s O’Hare Airport (ORD). The TSI inspected nine American Eagle aircraft to look for and test, among other things, access vulnerabilities or areas were someone with ill intent could gain access to the aircraft.
Aircraft operators are required to secure each aircraft when left unattended.
The TSIs are encouraged to look for and follow through on vulnerabilities. During the inspection process at ORD the Inspector used a Total Air Temperature (TAT) probe – a probe that protrudes from the side of the aircraft that is used to measure outside air temperature – to pull himself up while investigating possible access vulnerabilities with the unattended aircraft.
The Inspector was following through on regulatory inspection activity. The Inspector was able to gain access to the interior of seven of the nine aircraft inspected, which is an apparent violation of the airline’s security program. TSA is reviewing the inspection results and depending on the conclusion, could take action with the airline, up to and including levying of civil penalties.
While the inspection process is a vital layer of aviation security, it is not TSA’s intent to cause delays or potential damage to aircraft as a result of our inspections. TSA took immediate steps to re-enforce education about sensitive equipment located on the exterior of a plane.
Facts:
-TSA has 1,465 Transportation Security Inspectors at almost 150 airports that can cover all modes of transportation.
-535 in air cargo (including 85 dedicated canine teams)
-755 in aviation (or more than 700 if there’s a reason for it to be worded that way)
-175 in surface transportation modes
-TSIs undergo a 4-week basic training course that consists of security regulations overview, inspection procedures, and safety briefings. TSIs are also trained through a formal on-the-job training program and periodic formal recurrent training. Additionally, Inspectors receive local safety training at each airport when they receive their airport identification.
Bob
Eos Blog Team
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Information on the Chicago Aircraft Inspections
There have been some questions on our blog and elsewhere about the Chicago aircraft inspections.
Also, I've noticed some confusion out there, so please note that this involved a Transportation Security Inspector, (TSI) not a Transportation Security Officer. (TSO)
Here's what we posted on our website.
On August 19 a Transportation Security Inspector (TSI) was conducting a routine compliance inspection on aircraft parked on the airfield at Chicago’s O’Hare Airport (ORD). The TSI inspected nine American Eagle aircraft to look for and test, among other things, access vulnerabilities or areas were someone with ill intent could gain access to the aircraft.
Aircraft operators are required to secure each aircraft when left unattended.
The TSIs are encouraged to look for and follow through on vulnerabilities. During the inspection process at ORD the Inspector used a Total Air Temperature (TAT) probe – a probe that protrudes from the side of the aircraft that is used to measure outside air temperature – to pull himself up while investigating possible access vulnerabilities with the unattended aircraft.
The Inspector was following through on regulatory inspection activity. The Inspector was able to gain access to the interior of seven of the nine aircraft inspected, which is an apparent violation of the airline’s security program. TSA is reviewing the inspection results and depending on the conclusion, could take action with the airline, up to and including levying of civil penalties.
While the inspection process is a vital layer of aviation security, it is not TSA’s intent to cause delays or potential damage to aircraft as a result of our inspections. TSA took immediate steps to re-enforce education about sensitive equipment located on the exterior of a plane.
Facts:
-TSA has 1,465 Transportation Security Inspectors at almost 150 airports that can cover all modes of transportation.
-535 in air cargo (including 85 dedicated canine teams)
-755 in aviation (or more than 700 if there’s a reason for it to be worded that way)
-175 in surface transportation modes
-TSIs undergo a 4-week basic training course that consists of security regulations overview, inspection procedures, and safety briefings. TSIs are also trained through a formal on-the-job training program and periodic formal recurrent training. Additionally, Inspectors receive local safety training at each airport when they receive their airport identification.
Bob
Eos Blog Team
Wild_Weasel
Well-Known Member
O.. M.. G..!
They cannot be serious. I didn't think it was possible for this story to get any more infuriating.
How the of thought of the TSA just trying to defend their agent's actions, let alone considering fining the airline could have entered their pea size brains, is absolutely astonishing.
The next update on this story had better be about AE filing both civil and criminal charges against the TSA or the veins in my head might pop!
wheelsup
Well-Known Member
Why didn't the TSI agent just open the main door? Why crawl on the top? Did he get access thru the escape hatch?
I can't for the life of me think he did that just for the hell of it. There must be more to this story. No one really is THAT STUPID, I know the government is bad but they are also lazy.
I can't for the life of me think he did that just for the hell of it. There must be more to this story. No one really is THAT STUPID, I know the government is bad but they are also lazy.
Rizer
Well-Known Member
The best thing to do is contact Congressman Jim Oberstar, chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastucture Committe and Congressman John Mica, the Ranking minority member, and express your thoughts on this story and the Colgan pilot story. I sent e-mails to both today with links to both news stories. I think both congressman are aviation friendly. They need to hear from pilots about these issues.
http://transportation.house.gov/about.aspx
http://www.oberstar.org/contact/
http://www.house.gov/mica/messageform.shtml
http://transportation.house.gov/about.aspx
http://www.oberstar.org/contact/
http://www.house.gov/mica/messageform.shtml
wheelsup
Well-Known Member
I want to post on the TSA blog and just ask them why didn't they open the main door since they aren't locked but I have to stop myself. I've already said too much. I'm sure someone will be knocking on my front door tomorrow. Wait if it's the TSA they'll try and come in thru the chimney instead.
scooter2525
Very well Member
na, break your window and fine ya
wheelsup
Well-Known Member
haha good one
I wrote those two folks previously linked, thank you for the names, not that it will do anything, the TSA apparently can do whatever they wish.
Hopefully the ATA jumps on this.
Speed Pilot
Brain Damaged
For the love of God. Why are these people allowed to live at birth? I showed the news reports to a friend of mine that works for TSA. He hadn't heard about it through the gubment yet but said that if the situation that the news reports described was correct the inspector was way outside the boundaries of his job. He agreed the inspector should be tried as a terrorist. It's funny, most TSA employees I know LOATHE TSA even more than flight crews but the money is too good for them to leave because of it.
