cmill
Cold Ass Honky
I think the most i ever logged with MRA was like 30 in a month. Hows GUY treating you?
Troubled Freight Pilot
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I think the most i ever logged with MRA was like 30 in a month. Hows GUY treating you?
avi8tor1983
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Killing me slowly...It never seems like I have a normal week. After a month I had all the freq's memorized, after 2, well its all the freqs, field elevations, minimums on approaches, where the towers are, how to go direct without a GPS and having center NEVER have to vector you, and how to make B taxiway landing 36 at GUY haha. The WX is insane, but I'm from OK in the first place, I CFI'ed here for 2 years, I never flew into this crap though. As we say in OK when people gripe about the weather. "Welcome to Oklahoma, the bi-polar state, thunderstorms today, foot of snow the next"
KLB
Well-Known Member
You'll get to the point where you think to yourself "Building time is stupid! I'm going to go after the most enjoyable schedule and spend time with the ones most important to me. I'll get it when I get it!" Trust me it will happen. Even happened to a gong ho guy like myself.
New FBO in OKC?
avi8tor1983
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I guess I should have added the sarcasm tag. I would rather have one of the shorter runs in the company but the 400 a month extra really helps. I do although belive this route should pay a higher salary. I get paid the same as the guy that flys an hour per trip and lands lands twice. Oh and he gets a hotel. I don't get a hotel in okc or I give up my 400 a month extra, I sleep on a couch, I fly just over 4 hours a trip and land 6 times per trip. It makes no since to me why in the hell I make the same salary as the other guy.
There isn't a new FBO, just a new building for AAR. If your there go check out how uncomfertable the pilots lounge is. It has 3 computer chairs, one really funky new age recliner thing and a couple black pleather couches witch my 6'3 frame dose not fit on. Oh and the cleaning lady likes to come in at 2 am and turn on the lights and act like I'm not in there. I finally had to tell her to shut the hell up and get out. I think that was the long week of no sleep speaking tho.
There isn't a new FBO, just a new building for AAR. If your there go check out how uncomfertable the pilots lounge is. It has 3 computer chairs, one really funky new age recliner thing and a couple black pleather couches witch my 6'3 frame dose not fit on. Oh and the cleaning lady likes to come in at 2 am and turn on the lights and act like I'm not in there. I finally had to tell her to shut the hell up and get out. I think that was the long week of no sleep speaking tho.
KLB
Well-Known Member
I recall AAR being a really sucky FBO. I always wanted to lift that "Meacham" picture off of them though. It was too big to fit in my bag and I'm sure they'd notice.
I haven't been in OKC in about 2.5 years now. It was during my chieftan days. I've never seen a crew get the hell out of dodge when the airplane is shut down like those UPS guys flying into OKC did it.
WalterSobchak
Well-Known Member
Mine does. We either have apartments everywhere we go or a hotel room.
This holds true both for runs where we're off-duty at the outstation and runs where we're only there for 6-7 hours.
Now, they're not particularly fancy apartments but a few of them are better than an FBO couch. A few aren't.
Incredibly, we also have crew cars at each outstation. They're not very fancy either, but they get you around.
It makes life so much easier to have a car, even a ratty one, and place to get away from the airport when you've got 7 hours to kill out in one of the Dakotas.
And we are the definition of a small check/freight hauler. I mean, like, really small.
I'm a lucky pilot, that's for sure.
"The Cave" on Fargo 2 FTW!!! I hear they remodeled the Jet Center? The Cave's gone?
Actually, FAR2 is gone. It's just a turn on Monday afternoon now.
Too bad, the Jet Center remodel is great. Big screen plasma, comfy leather chairs, snooze room, a rockin' fireplace, unlimited Starbucks coffee and fresh baked muffins, nice Azera for a crew car.
Everything a grungy freight pilot deserves. I was sad to see that run go bye bye.
FAR1 is still at the Stupor 8.
And Scott's K-car is still alive and kicking in MOT so we rock that bad boy for a crew car there.
Bandit_Driver
Gold Member
I hate say it but a lot of 135 operators would find a way to can you after you did that once or twice. Back in my 135 days it was always fly the trip and hang out in the FBO. If the got another trip you flew it. If not and 8 hours passed you were considered to have had rest. Not fun but it appeared to be the norm as you were sleeping in crowded crew rooms with a lot of other freight dawgs. A lot, not all walk a fine line in the gray area of the law with rest adn flight/duty times.
That's not walking a "fine line" and there is no "gray" area. That is not considered rest.
Rest must be
- Continuous (10 hours - Not 8 hours, interruption to talk to Dx, then 2 more hours. Interrupted? Start another 10 hour clock.)
- Known in advance (Not "well since you were off, you were resting")
- Free from restraint for duty (No monitoring a cell phone/pager/blackberry)
-mini
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
I don't really disagree with your interpretation of the regs, mini, but you know as well I do that this is not how it's done in the vast majority of cases. Realistically, no hungry little freight pup is going to throw his/herself of the pyre of "how things ought to be". If you want to fight how the law is enforced, you need to go to the enforcers of the law, not to those who are governed by it.
Just so we're clear, that isn't my interpretation. That's straight from the FAA. I just want to point that out. The interpretation is available online from the FAA. Not from minitour.
Hey, I don't make the rules, I'm just responsible for following them. :dunno:
Remember, the certificate holder gets a slap on the wrist, a fine and a a "don't do it again". The pilot gets a certificate suspension. If you, as the pilot, and understanding this, still want to pretend you're in rest when you aren't, that's your choice.
I won't.
I recently did go to the DO here about how "rest" is interpreted by those in the sales department. I guess someone got their panties in a wad when I turned off my blackberry. The DO (former FAA) was 100% on my side and even cited the legal interpretation. I think most of the time, these asinine policies are just there out of pure ignorance of the actual interpretation. IOW, someone told the CP or DO a long, long time ago that if you sit in the FBO for 10 hours, you were at legal rest...even if you were sitting there waiting on a trip or updating jepps or doing your paperwork or whatever. If you show the actual way the regulation is interpreted, they'll probably fall right in line. If not, you can go to your POI (job be damned).
If you're not willing to do that, then you really shouldn't be complaining about rest regulations.
-mini
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
I don't have any cause to complain about them because the company I work for now is scrupulous about following them. In fact, I've never worked for anyone who asked me to violate anything that I didn't first suggest myself. But I accept that I'm in a minority on that one. Point isn't about what the regs mean...I'm with you 100%. I'm just saying to expect some kid to stand up to The Man at his first "real job" and get fired for "the cause" is...fanciful. If the law is going to be enforced the way it ought to be, it has to start from the top.
KLB
Well-Known Member
My current company is pretty strict about following the rules also. You are either put up in a crew apartment, hotel, or home to get required rest or any sit over four hours. On demand charter was a bit different with the 4hr rule, but we still got all of our required rest in a hotel or at home though.
KLB
Well-Known Member
Yeah, I didn't really mean "you" you. I was speaking to "you"...like...the "collective" (que someone with a borg picture) you. For lack of a better term.:beer:
-mini
msmspilot
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Bandit_Driver
Gold Member
-mini, not sure where I got the 8 hours from, my bad there. But face it the feds don't want to bust airlines unless they have to. You can't even get a fed to tell you how they see the reg or two feds to agree on something. In all my 135 flying I never saw my POI at the facility once. Back in the day min rest was the norm and you were flying 1000+ hours a year. I can tell you that was the norm as most operators weren't run by ex feds and the feds that were out there didn't care.
Boris is right on this. There is the letter of the law and then their is the real world application of it.
You want to see some messed up regs look at 121 supplimental. On call 24 hours a day with no defined rest/reserve periods is completely legal and confirmed by the FAA. The duty day doesn't start until you are paged.
Boris is right on this. There is the letter of the law and then their is the real world application of it.
You want to see some messed up regs look at 121 supplimental. On call 24 hours a day with no defined rest/reserve periods is completely legal and confirmed by the FAA. The duty day doesn't start until you are paged.