kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Sounds like windshear......
This week's Hearings in NYC
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v1valarob
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Could have called this from miles away...
"Management advised the Negotiating Committee that it has received new information from Delta concerning our future fleet plan. If we are able to come to terms on a Restructuring Agreement that amends the JCBA, it is anticipated that the 200 fleet will begin to shrink sometime next year, and that we may be in position to gain additional CRJ-900 aircraft. If we are unable to reach agreement on revisions to the JCBA, we have been told that Pinnacle will wind down, and that our flying will be taken over by other carriers who have already been selected by Delta.
In order to assess the impact of these forecast revisions to the fleet plan, both the ALPA and management negotiating teams have decided to work internally for the next several days. We are currently planning to return to the bargaining table next week.
We do not believe that the projected fleet plan changes mean that there is no future for Pinnacle, but we do believe that it is highly likely that Pinnacle will experience a reduction in its overall fleet size. This is important information for you to have, especially as some of you consider the wisdom of bidding on a Long Term Leave or consider what other employment options might be available to you.
The Negotiating Committee is in close contact with the MEC, and continues to work on formulating proposals that address the needs of the company and the needs of our pilots in an uncertain environment."
"Management advised the Negotiating Committee that it has received new information from Delta concerning our future fleet plan. If we are able to come to terms on a Restructuring Agreement that amends the JCBA, it is anticipated that the 200 fleet will begin to shrink sometime next year, and that we may be in position to gain additional CRJ-900 aircraft. If we are unable to reach agreement on revisions to the JCBA, we have been told that Pinnacle will wind down, and that our flying will be taken over by other carriers who have already been selected by Delta.
In order to assess the impact of these forecast revisions to the fleet plan, both the ALPA and management negotiating teams have decided to work internally for the next several days. We are currently planning to return to the bargaining table next week.
We do not believe that the projected fleet plan changes mean that there is no future for Pinnacle, but we do believe that it is highly likely that Pinnacle will experience a reduction in its overall fleet size. This is important information for you to have, especially as some of you consider the wisdom of bidding on a Long Term Leave or consider what other employment options might be available to you.
The Negotiating Committee is in close contact with the MEC, and continues to work on formulating proposals that address the needs of the company and the needs of our pilots in an uncertain environment."
v1valarob
Well-Known Member
Could have called this from miles away...
"Management advised the Negotiating Committee that it has received new information from Delta concerning our future fleet plan. If we are able to come to terms on a Restructuring Agreement that amends the JCBA, it is anticipated that the 200 fleet will begin to shrink sometime next year, and that we may be in position to gain additional CRJ-900 aircraft. If we are unable to reach agreement on revisions to the JCBA, we have been told that Pinnacle will wind down, and that our flying will be taken over by other carriers who have already been selected by Delta.
In order to assess the impact of these forecast revisions to the fleet plan, both the ALPA and management negotiating teams have decided to work internally for the next several days. We are currently planning to return to the bargaining table next week.
We do not believe that the projected fleet plan changes mean that there is no future for Pinnacle, but we do believe that it is highly likely that Pinnacle will experience a reduction in its overall fleet size. This is important information for you to have, especially as some of you consider the wisdom of bidding on a Long Term Leave or consider what other employment options might be available to you.
The Negotiating Committee is in close contact with the MEC, and continues to work on formulating proposals that address the needs of the company and the needs of our pilots in an uncertain environment."
"Management advised the Negotiating Committee that it has received new information from Delta concerning our future fleet plan. If we are able to come to terms on a Restructuring Agreement that amends the JCBA, it is anticipated that the 200 fleet will begin to shrink sometime next year, and that we may be in position to gain additional CRJ-900 aircraft. If we are unable to reach agreement on revisions to the JCBA, we have been told that Pinnacle will wind down, and that our flying will be taken over by other carriers who have already been selected by Delta.
In order to assess the impact of these forecast revisions to the fleet plan, both the ALPA and management negotiating teams have decided to work internally for the next several days. We are currently planning to return to the bargaining table next week.
We do not believe that the projected fleet plan changes mean that there is no future for Pinnacle, but we do believe that it is highly likely that Pinnacle will experience a reduction in its overall fleet size. This is important information for you to have, especially as some of you consider the wisdom of bidding on a Long Term Leave or consider what other employment options might be available to you.
The Negotiating Committee is in close contact with the MEC, and continues to work on formulating proposals that address the needs of the company and the needs of our pilots in an uncertain environment."
broncoav8r
Well-Known Member
I always thought it was funny that they kept making plans for Pinnacle in restructuring with no reductions in the 200 fleet when it was obvious to anyone who could do math that we would lose 16 airplanes (assuming we would be the only 200 operator for Delta, which we all knew wasn't going to happen.)
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
That's counting the 16 -900s that were already going away when ATL closed. So, it's 140 200s and 41(?) -900s. Basically, it's the -900s from XJ and the -200s from 9E. Just some of the -200s is what I've heard, but that's IF a JCBA is agreed to.
Here are some key words from that statement. First off, parking -200s is going to happen. It's just a matter of how many. They then say they "may be in a position" to get -900s. Not that they will. In a positiong. Pinnacle is in a position right now to get them. It's just not a good one. That's the carrot. "Agree to this or we're getting shut down" is the stick. I heard all this years ago when I was brand new at Pinnacle. "Agree to this contract, or NWA will take all of our flying." "Agree to this, or NWA is going to take back those 17 -200s they just gave us."
THIS is the telling part: "We have been told that Pinnacle will wind down, and that our flying will be taken over by other carriers who have already been selected by Delta."
Delta's already got a dance partner picked out and ready to go. Makes me think that no matter what is agreed to, things have already been decided. IF Pinnacle keeps the doors open, I doubt they will get more -900s. Management has shown themselves to be pretty inept at every step of the way. The only way they can salvage anything is by undercutting Go Jets. I'd recommend any of my buddies still there to get out post haste. It's sounding like Comair 2.0.
Stryder
Well-Known Member
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Save me kellwolf!!
Would if I could. We're supposed to open the app window Q1 next year if the rumors are true. That's about all I can do for ya right now. I can tell you that once people find out you're escaping, people you've never talked to come up to you and ask how things are going. At least I know you!
Stryder
Well-Known Member
Would if I could. We're supposed to open the app window Q1 next year if the rumors are true. That's about all I can do for ya right now. I can tell you that once people find out you're escaping, people you've never talked to come up to you and ask how things are going. At least I know you!
Tell you what. Your first viewing of the Hobbit is on me.
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
Would if I could. We're supposed to open the app window Q1 next year if the rumors are true. That's about all I can do for ya right now. I can tell you that once people find out you're escaping, people you've never talked to come up to you and ask how things are going. At least I know you!
Not my fault you never flew with me
BE19Pilot
Flying a Box
Supposedly, we are supposed to know what the fleet composition is going to look like before we vote on a TA. This was according to the VP of Flt. Ops yesterday at company luncheon at the training center. I think that ALPA and the FLT OPS mgt. bosses have both laid out the information as best that they can, now the rest is essentially up to us. However, if it is already set in stone what DL's fleet plan is now. It begs the question, Just how cheap can they get the labor to fly these airplanes?
wheelsup
Well-Known Member
Pinnacle may have expensive costs other than labor though, not sure what it looks like there though. But I always thought they were one of the lowest cost operators.
GoJets is probably up there I would bet they would get the lions share of the flying. This whole game is musical chairs but the problem is the music keeps getting shorter and shorter...used to be a good 10-15 years you could count on being around, now it's like 5-7...
Eventually we're just going to go through a temp staffing agency...
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Pinnacle keeps harping on the labor costs being the killer, especially since we've got people senior. Hence the reason they're offering sweet ELOA deals. Problem is, if the company goes TU, well, there's nothing to come back to if you're on an LOA anyway.
Training costs are what sunk the airline, not pilot costs. The company's sheer mismanagement and failure to plan more than three weeks ahead are why they are in the position they are. Labor costs have very little to do with it. GoJets is mostly likely a front runner because they're cheaper. Not only are they cheap wage wise, they haven't been around very long. Once UAL/CAL starts recalling, a lot of the most senior guys are going to be gone, driving their costs even lower. If I didn't feel like I needed a shower after even talking about GoJets, I'd say that's probably a good set up for them. Unfortunately, I know the history of how they got to where they are. Looks like the best way to be successful in the regional industry is to undercut everyone, including yourself. You'll always be able to find someone that's willing to blow mom and dad's college fund set up for them in order to take a $18k/yr job to fly shiny jets. At least until that 1500 hour rule kicks in.....
Training costs are what sunk the airline, not pilot costs. The company's sheer mismanagement and failure to plan more than three weeks ahead are why they are in the position they are. Labor costs have very little to do with it. GoJets is mostly likely a front runner because they're cheaper. Not only are they cheap wage wise, they haven't been around very long. Once UAL/CAL starts recalling, a lot of the most senior guys are going to be gone, driving their costs even lower. If I didn't feel like I needed a shower after even talking about GoJets, I'd say that's probably a good set up for them. Unfortunately, I know the history of how they got to where they are. Looks like the best way to be successful in the regional industry is to undercut everyone, including yourself. You'll always be able to find someone that's willing to blow mom and dad's college fund set up for them in order to take a $18k/yr job to fly shiny jets. At least until that 1500 hour rule kicks in.....
higney85
Property of Scheduling
With 250ish guys getting paid to stay home, essentially 2 HQ's in overhead, 50% extra reserves just to ensure we have good performance, and a high percentage in the upper seniority range, with a JCBA (cost) that isn't supported by the service agreement (margin) , I think we are all done here.