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USMCmech said:
The fact that a union would hard sell a contract significantly below what should be fair market value makes me question the purpose of having a union at all. If ALPA can't add any value to my job, then why do they deserve my money.
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In this case "you" (all of the MAG pilots) are "ALPA" and you voted the guy that negotiated what you think was a terrible deal into an MEC chairman's position. Why'd you do that?
 
BobDDuck said:
In this case "you" (all of the MAG pilots) are "ALPA" and you voted the guy that negotiated what you think was a terrible deal into an MEC chairman's position. Why'd you do that?
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I didn't.

Somebody on the LEC (who I never voted for either) who is supposed to represent me (despite the fact that I don't even know their names) voted for him.


For the record, I would have understood the TA being put up for a vote if the union and company had reached an impasse in negotiations, "Hey guys, this is the best contract we can reach right now". I had no doubt that the financial analysis was accurate when they said that the company didn't have any money to offer pay raises. What was bizarre to me (and many other pilots) was how hard the union leadership tried to sell it.
 
Hacker15e said:
Most guys joining the regionals today don't remember when there were shops that paid $16/hour first year.

Hopefully we all remember the dozens of JC threads from 5 years ago when folks were saying that a "liveable wage" for a first-year regional pilot would be about $25K -$30K. Well, here we are.
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Why would we want to remember that again?

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trafficinsight said:
Why would we want to remember that again?

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Those were also the days when every janky 24/7 on call with secretary duties when you weren't flying corporate job and every shady freight gig flying a broken metro into Mexico in for $100 a day was receiving resumes from 10000 hour furloughed airline pilots...2008-12 ish was pretty ugly.
 
USMCmech said:
I didn't.

Somebody on the LEC (who I never voted for either) who is supposed to represent me (despite the fact that I don't even know their names) voted for him.


For the record, I would have understood the TA being put up for a vote if the union and company had reached an impasse in negotiations, "Hey guys, this is the best contract we can reach right now". I had no doubt that the financial analysis was accurate when they said that the company didn't have any money to offer pay raises. What was bizarre to me (and many other pilots) was how hard the union leadership tried to sell it.
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I'm not defending the hard sell but how can you solely blame the ALPA 'machine' when you don't even know who your own reps are?
 
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Seggy said:
I'm not defending the hard sell but how can you solely blame the ALPA 'machine' when you don't even know who your own reps are?
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As for not knowing who my LEC reps are, this website is over 4 years out of date. http://www.mesapilots.com/Union.html I probably could track them down, but I'm way to busy with my own life to waste that much time. I'm never the guy who is "in the loop" anyway. I generally show up, fly my trip, head back home. "Hey did you hear about the guys who...?" gossip just isn't me. I leave all that political drama for people who have the stomach for it.

Almost half the pilots here weren't eligible to vote on the TA nor had any of us voted for any of the union leadership that tried to sell us that crap sandwich. Virtually all of the pilots are voting with their feet by moving on ASAP. Of the 8 guys in my new hire class who finished training a year ago, 4 are already gone. The union leadership is primarily composed of the lifers who (for various reasons) can't or won't move on.


I support the idea of ALPA and unions in general, but so far the actual performance is pretty underwhelming.
 
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Autothrust Blue said:
If you called in sick last week, you probably have some 'splaining to do.
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In a non-union world, true. However, good employers would give the benefit of the doubt to their employees and not ask for things like doctors notes "just because it falls on x date".

The bad apples will hang themselves by discussing their "non-sick" activities.

I know you aren't advocating for having to explain a sick call during a job fair, but I just wanted to make it clear it's unacceptable to ask (unless there is a history of abuse by a specific pilot in which you deal with them).
 
SpiceWeasel said:
In a non-union world, true. However, good employers would give the benefit of the doubt to their employees and not ask for things like doctors notes "just because it falls on x date".

The bad apples will hang themselves by discussing their "non-sick" activities.

I know you aren't advocating for having to explain a sick call during a job fair, but I just wanted to make it clear it's unacceptable to ask (unless there is a history of abuse by a specific pilot in which you deal with them).
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No, I'm not. I'm merely stating that it's not polite to hose your teammates this way. Having been personally hosed that way by a Captain — on a 20 minute turn no less (!) — (he got the job...) — I get peeved.
 
SpiceWeasel said:
In a non-union world, true. However, good employers would give the benefit of the doubt to their employees and not ask for things like doctors notes "just because it falls on x date".

The bad apples will hang themselves by discussing their "non-sick" activities.

I know you aren't advocating for having to explain a sick call during a job fair, but I just wanted to make it clear it's unacceptable to ask (unless there is a history of abuse by a specific pilot in which you deal with them).
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Some airlines request all sick occurrences in the last two years from employers and request a history after a CJO. Some things might come home to roost.
 
mastermags said:
Some airlines request all sick occurrences in the last two years from employers and request a history after a CJO. Some things might come home to roost.
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Can they legally request that? PRIA...

That's why the Endeavor SSP is good because the books are open to start with.
 
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USMCmech said:
As for not knowing who my LEC reps are, this website is over 4 years out of date. http://www.mesapilots.com/Union.html I probably could track them down, but I'm way to busy with my own life to waste that much time. I'm never the guy who is "in the loop" anyway. I generally show up, fly my trip, head back home. "Hey did you hear about the guys who...?" gossip just isn't me. I leave all that political drama for people who have the stomach for it.

Almost half the pilots here weren't eligible to vote on the TA nor had any of us voted for any of the union leadership that tried to sell us that crap sandwich. Virtually all of the pilots are voting with their feet by moving on ASAP. Of the 8 guys in my new hire class who finished training a year ago, 4 are already gone. The union leadership is primarily composed of the lifers who (for various reasons) can't or won't move on.
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Finding out who your Rep is, telling them that the TA isn't acceptable to you because of X, Y, Z, isn't gossiping. It is doing your professional responsibility to your career.

If you want to bitch and moan about ALPA for whatever reason OK, but you need to be engaged to bitch and moan.
 
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Autothrust Blue said:
No, I'm not. I'm merely stating that it's not polite to hose your teammates this way. Having been personally hosed that way by a Captain — on a 20 minute turn no less (!) — (he got the job...) — I get peeved.
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I am having trouble following this. What happened?
 
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This is an exert from HIPPA:

Requests from your employer
Your employer can ask you for a doctor’s note or other health information if they need the information for sick leave, workers’ compensation, wellness programs, or health insurance.

However, if your employer asks your health care provider directly for information about you, your provider cannot give your employer the information without your authorization unless other laws require them to do so.

Generally, the Privacy Rule applies to the disclosures made by your health care provider, not the questions your employer may ask.

See 45 C.F.R. §§ 160.103 and 164.512(b)(1)(v), and OCR's Frequently Asked Questions.
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Boris Badenov said:
Appear to have fallen off. Sitting here at the gate waiting for the fourth regional leg in a row to cancel. I can't remember the last time I got where I was going when I expected to get there (when a regional was involved). How long can this go on? The feed system must be absolute bedlam.
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Should have stuck with your last job. I only airline to training, now.

Now quit yer whining!
 
Seggy said:
From my understanding the only reason why Skywest got the first year pay up recently was when XJT/ASA approved their extensions management told SAPA they were going to increase the rates and SAPA agreed.

If the pay rate increases were given because of what ASA/XJT did then it proves Skywest is showing up uninvited to the party and is standing in line first for the cake.
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I don't do this often, since well, to be honest you're sometimes off your rocker around here...but

Yes.

Additionally...this has always been the case - you know this.

Further, we received a bump in per diem in our extensions and guess which other employee group saw a per diem bump - our hard working FAs. So, it even happens internally.

USMCmech said:
I didn't.

Somebody on the LEC (who I never voted for either) who is supposed to represent me (despite the fact that I don't even know their names) voted for him.
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Just for clarification...

Why do you not know who your LEC representatives are? It may be helpful for the future entrants to this industry to understand why one wouldn't know who their union representatives are.
 
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