The wheels on the bus...

Seggy said:
One of the reasons is they know the interest isn't really there by a vast majority of the pilots.
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I'm not so sure now from my small interactions. I'll find out for sure next week as I'll be in the training center and we all know nothing but truth comes from there. 8)
 
Boris Badenov said:
Appear to have fallen off. Sitting here at the gate waiting for the fourth regional leg in a row to cancel. I can't remember the last time I got where I was going when I expected to get there (when a regional was involved). How long can this go on? The feed system must be absolute bedlam.
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That's what you get for trying to get to St. Louis via a Regional! Think, man. Think! ;)
 
Seggy said:
From my understanding the only reason why Skywest got the first year pay up recently was when XJT/ASA approved their extensions management told SAPA they were going to increase the rates and SAPA agreed.



If the pay rate increases were given because of what ASA/XJT did then it proves Skywest is showing up uninvited to the party and is standing in line first for the cake.
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I don't really get your statement. SkyWest Inc owns ASA/XJT. It was agreed upon that the company could raise first year pay up to and including $36.50 without "negotiations." ASA/XJT raised their first year pay to $37/hr. That would make more people interested in them than SkyWest Airlines. So it was really in Inc's best interest to also raise Airline's first year pay to fall mostly in line with Inc's other half... Sure one airline is non-Union and the other is not, but why would you expect SkyWest to not keep up with XJT in terms of hourly rates?
 
JordanD said:
Haven't kept up with them but has Mesa joined the party yet?
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Nope, I could quit Mesa today to start over at SkyWest and get a $8/hr pay raise and pocket 7,500 bonus for already being typed in the CRJ (which is exactly what I would do if I lived near a SKW base). Mesa is about 24 months from being in the same hole that Republic is stuck in. The only regionals with pay nearly as low as Mesa are Envoy, PSA, and Piedmont which are owned by AAG and have flows.

Thankfully ALPA stood up for us and negotiated a 5 year contract with a .01% pay increase which would only leave us earning 60% of what a non union shop takes in. :sarcasm: That contract got slapped down by 80% of the pilots. The head of the NC that brought us that little gem just got elected MEC chair.

SkyWest's contract should be the absolute bare minimum for any union shop.
 
JustinS said:
I don't really get your statement. SkyWest Inc owns ASA/XJT. It was agreed upon that the company could raise first year pay up to and including $36.50 without "negotiations." ASA/XJT raised their first year pay to $37/hr. That would make more people interested in them than SkyWest Airlines. So it was really in Inc's best interest to also raise Airline's first year pay to fall mostly in line with Inc's other half... Sure one airline is non-Union and the other is not, but why would you expect SkyWest to not keep up with XJT in terms of hourly rates?
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You are making Seggy's point. If ALPA at XJT didn't push for the higher rates Skywest would likely still be at $30/hr.

Sadly ALPA isn't perfect and Skywest has pulled ahead of many ALPA regionals. It may not be ALPAs direct fault but previous leadership sure has dropped some balls along the way at those airlines. 50% DH just shouldn't exist anymore.
 
Maurus said:
You are making Seggy's point. If ALPA at XJT didn't push for the higher rates Skywest would likely still be at $30/hr.

Sadly ALPA isn't perfect and Skywest has pulled ahead of many ALPA regionals. It may not be ALPAs direct fault but previous leadership sure has dropped some balls along the way at those airlines. 50% DH just shouldn't exist anymore.
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Oh I get what he's saying now. Thanks for clarifying. I can see how ALPA may have benefited on that one. However, SkyWest led the way by raising pay to $30/hr while XJT was only $23/hr still.

Things have drastically shifted in the last 12 months. 12 months ago Horizon Air was paving the way with "industry leading" pay. They have been quickly over run. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks as if it's no longer a "race to the bottom of the barrel." In terms of pay.
 
JustinS said:
Oh I get what he's saying now. Thanks for clarifying. I can see how ALPA may have benefited on that one. However, SkyWest led the way by raising pay to $30/hr while XJT was only $23/hr still.

Things have drastically shifted in the last 12 months. 12 months ago Horizon Air was paving the way with "industry leading" pay. They have been quickly over run. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks as if it's no longer a "race to the bottom of the barrel." In terms of pay.
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XJT & SKYW also have pretty good work rules.
 
Cazadores said:
$37. An hour, profit sharing, and other benefits including full deadhead and cancellation pay. I'd say SkyWest joined the party. Which is what he was referring too, you know, first year pay.

I am staunchly pro labor and likely agree on the benefits of representation, but argue your case as opposed to repeat the same tired flippant nonsense. Really, I've seen you make some strong adult arguments and reasoned support for a union drive, and there are people at SkyWest, more and more, who would listen. Don't hurt their cause by poorly representing ALPA.
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But then there's stuff like when your bid award somehow comes back absolutely blank and the solution is for you to end up on reserve the whole month because they've got no teeth.

Happened to a friend of mine...
 
Screaming_Emu said:
But then there's stuff like when your bid award somehow comes back absolutely blank and the solution is for you to end up on reserve the whole month because they've got no teeth.

Happened to a friend of mine...
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Exactly, which is why an ALPA champion could find traction if they came with reasons why representation is a positive move.


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