The wheels on the bus...

Today I'm suppose to do SFO-SAN-SFO-JFK, but the SAN turn cancelled. Hot dang, SFO-JFK should be enough for one day :D But we have trips like this that are 29:25 for a 4-day.
 
W-2 from C5 stated 32k as total earnings. Add another 3500+ in per diem. That was at 33/hr with little or no overtime or premium pay. 75 hr guarantee. I think starting now is 39, so I suppose 35k isn't out of the question as a starting number. We don't have the opportunity to make a ton of extra money here in terms of rigs,etc.
 
JustinS said:
I don't really get your statement. SkyWest Inc owns ASA/XJT. It was agreed upon that the company could raise first year pay up to and including $36.50 without "negotiations." ASA/XJT raised their first year pay to $37/hr. That would make more people interested in them than SkyWest Airlines. So it was really in Inc's best interest to also raise Airline's first year pay to fall mostly in line with Inc's other half... Sure one airline is non-Union and the other is not, but why would you expect SkyWest to not keep up with XJT in terms of hourly rates?
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The negotiations were done by unionized pilots, using union resources, union dues, and negotiating capital to get a nonunion pilot group a raise. The only reason it is Skywest's 'best interest' to raise that holdings first year pay is to prevent a union drive. Hence, my heartburn.
 
Seggy said:
The negotiations were done by unionized pilots, using union resources, union dues, and negotiating capital to get a nonunion pilot group a raise. The only reason it is Skywest's 'best interest' to raise that holdings first year pay is to prevent a union drive. Hence, my heartburn.
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I'll give you that that the $36.50 was prompted by XJT's raise. However, SkyWest did in fact raise their pay before XJT, and the $36.50 was within the scope of the non-union negotiation as that $36.50 was negotiated before XJT's negotiation and contract came out and passed.

Yes haha we can all laugh at the non-union status of SkyWest, but I think you're giving ALPA too much credit in this given example. I realize that you're very pro-ALPA and that's great, but I don't think you can say ALPA did all the footwork for SkyWest pilots in this situation. Respectfully my 2 cents.

Now maybe you can say that ALPA did the footwork for KCM, and SkyWest gets to "show up uninvited to the party." In that case. That would be a fully valid example of ALPA paving the way.
 
JustinS said:
I'll give you that that the $36.50 was prompted by XJT's raise. However, SkyWest did in fact raise their pay before XJT, and the $36.50 was within the scope of the non-union negotiation as that $36.50 was negotiated before XJT's negotiation and contract came out and passed.

Yes haha we can all laugh at the non-union status of SkyWest, but I think you're giving ALPA too much credit in this given example. I realize that you're very pro-ALPA and that's great, but I don't think you can say ALPA did all the footwork for SkyWest pilots in this situation. Respectfully my 2 cents.

Now maybe you can say that ALPA did the footwork for KCM, and SkyWest gets to "show up uninvited to the party." In that case. That would be a fully valid example of ALPA paving the way.
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From what I was told, XJT/ASA voted in the extension and then Skywest announced the raise. Regardless, would Skywest have given the raise if XJT/ASA weren't in these negotiations? Doubtful...
 
Seggy said:
The negotiations were done by unionized pilots, using union resources, union dues, and negotiating capital to get a nonunion pilot group a raise. The only reason it is Skywest's 'best interest' to raise that holdings first year pay is to prevent a union drive. Hence, my heartburn.
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There's no doubt that the SkyWest pilots benefit from a mostly unionized industry, but ever since ASA was incorporated into the SkyWest system their payrates/workrules (for the most part) were brought up to where SkyWest already was. The biggest reason SkyWest isn't union right now is because management created the SkyWest Airlines Pilot Association, which mimics a union.
 
Seggy said:
From what I was told, XJT/ASA voted in the extension and then Skywest announced the raise. Regardless, would Skywest have given the raise if XJT/ASA weren't in these negotiations? Doubtful...
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Yes, SkyWest would have given the raise if XJT/ASA weren't in negotiations. We had already voted in the raise into our last pay agreement. It went up to $30 on the day of signing and then authorized the company to increase it up to $36.50 at their discretion. Simple economics demanded they raise it with the rest of the industry in order to get as many pilots in new hire class as possible.
 
GaTechKid said:
Yes, SkyWest would have given the raise if XJT/ASA weren't in negotiations. We had already voted in the raise into our last pay agreement. It went up to $30 on the day of signing and then authorized the company to increase it up to $36.50 at their discretion. Simple economics demanded they raise it with the rest of the industry in order to get as many pilots in new hire class as possible.
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Which still is 45+ a month on the CRJ side (over 60 a few classes ago). Not sure on the 175. We will see if the pay increase will assist XJT in getting pilots into their classes.
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
You got checked out in the lance. Bring me some lumpia!!!
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Oh you mean the pig that doesn't want to leave the ground, even at 20gph flow? Yeah won't be flying that much. Funny thing is the vote to buy it was something like 32-3, but since no one rents it they are considering selling it by years end.
 
jskibo said:
Oh you mean the pig that doesn't want to leave the ground, even at 20gph flow? Yeah won't be flying that much. Funny thing is the vote to buy it was something like 32-3, but since no one rents it they are considering selling it by years end.
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wow. Todd has a mooney for sale. 8)
 
jtrain609 said:
First year pay doesn't exist almost anywhere anymore. My shop, republic, commutair, ExpressJet and I'm sure others have all ditched the original first year pay.
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Most guys joining the regionals today don't remember when there were shops that paid $16/hour first year.

Hopefully we all remember the dozens of JC threads from 5 years ago when folks were saying that a "liveable wage" for a first-year regional pilot would be about $25K -$30K. Well, here we are.
 
Seggy said:
From what I was told, XJT/ASA voted in the extension and then Skywest announced the raise. Regardless, would Skywest have given the raise if XJT/ASA weren't in these negotiations? Doubtful...
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It had nothing to do with XJet and everything to do with Republics bankruptcy. Skywest changed its pay rate, Envoy and Piedmont both added large bonuses and it all seemed aimed at attracting pilots as they are a type of currency.
 
USMCmech said:
Thankfully ALPA stood up for us and negotiated a 5 year contract with a .01% pay increase which would only leave us earning 60% of what a non union shop takes in. :sarcasm: That contract got slapped down by 80% of the pilots. The head of the NC that brought us that little gem just got elected MEC chair.
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And your "new" NC chair resigned after realizing that the financial analysis that she called BS on was actually accurate.

Fun times over there I guess.
 
BobDDuck said:
And your "new" NC chair resigned after realizing that the financial analysis that she called BS on was actually accurate.
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Oh, I never doubted that the financial analysis was accurate. I just don't care. 1900 pay rates for flying what is effectively a DC-9 on mainline routes is nothing but BS.

I'm worth more than what Mesa is paying me and I'll be voting with my feet in the near future.


The fact that a union would hard sell a contract significantly below what should be fair market value makes me question the purpose of having a union at all. If ALPA can't add any value to my job, then why do they deserve my money.
 
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