The Attack on the 2nd Amendment Continues

[TUCKnTRUCK]

That poll shows a majority of Americans want stricter gun control.

But yet less than they did 10 years ago.

Instead of a single poll, how about a collection of polls? I mean, we wouldn't want to base an argument off of information that only supports our point would we?

http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

Which way is support trending here?

 

[Lawman]

But yet less than they did 10 years ago.

Instead of a single poll, how about a collection of polls? I mean, we wouldn't want to base an argument off of information that only supports our point would we?

http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

It's funny because even CNN posted an article a little bit back about how the majority of Americans don't support stricter controls.

To say nothing of the science or controls of their polls it's gotta tell you something when a source as liberal as CNN can't even paint a picture of Americans wanting more gun control without flat out lying about it.


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[TUCKnTRUCK]

It's funny because even CNN posted an article a little bit back about how the majority of Americans don't support stricter controls.

To say nothing of the science or controls of their polls it's gotta tell you something when a source as liberal as CNN can't even paint a picture of Americans wanting more gun control without flat out lying about it.


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They ran it as a live segment as well. More Americans are realizing that the proposed legislation would be ineffective, and prefer to work on solving the problem. People are waking up to the fact that Gun legislation doesn't affect any crime rates, but really just gives politicians something to brag about.

Hell, even Christie has layed off gun laws... And that was a MAJOR running point of his Gov. Election strategy.

 

[Hacker15e]

This isn't the only thread where I have mentioned Executive Orders as a way of handling the gun problem in this country.

Well, since you didn't actually say that in the thread you linked, can you point to another one? I'm still trying to see where you "called it months ago."

Can you cite one instance where you specifically mention an Executive Order?

More importantly to your original point, can you link to where anyone said EOs would "never" be used?

This is core to the superior dance in your OP...just interested to see evidence of either of the two claims you use to spike the ball here. You made the claims, I just wanna see 'em.

 

[web265]

A ban for speaking how I feel? That is really American, isn't it!

In fact the ability to say how you feel is pretty much guaranteed by the constitution....wait....well until there's an EO prohibiting it.

 

[n57flyguy]

I find this debate hilarious. Guns are not going anywhere. Prices will though, low cost, bulk items (ammunition, high capacity magazines, AR Lowers, etc.) become short in supply thus show a price increase on open markets. Collector items show a decrease, and a good time to buy a liquid asset at that decrease. I bought valued revolver in 2012 that has seen at least a 25-35% increase depending on where you look. The point is, I enjoy the 'freakouts,' and with capital, those that watch the open markets stand to profit.

The intellectual argument on executive order is interesting. Regulation/bans stands to entrench a black market structure with higher prices than before, is the most reasonable guess. So whatever the perceived "problem" is, probably will not go away.

Buy ammo and magazines and sell them to the speculative extreme right population for a premium, have your stops and exercise them. I'm going to make money from Hillary, though she'd tax my earnings.

 

[Acadia]

Buy ammo and magazines and sell them to the speculative extreme right population for a premium, have your stops and exercise them. I'm going to make money from Hillary, though she'd tax my earnings.

Speaking of that, I hope some day .22 WMR will not cost $28 box. At least that is what it was locally last September when I needed a box. Robbery.

 

[n57flyguy]

Speaking of that, I hope some day .22 WMR will not cost $28 box. At least that is what it was locally last September when I needed a box. Robbery.

I hope so as well on your behalf.

Just think if we were Socialist it would be $4/box!

 

[Acadia]

I hope so as well on your behalf.

Just think if we were Socialist it would be $4/box!

Well all of the online vendors still list it at a somewhat reasonable $12-14 a box, but as we know, it has been perpetually out of stock for years. I don't usually need .22 rounds, but the .22 WMR was the best option I had for tracking down and dispatching an aggressive male sheep out on an island.

 

[n57flyguy]

Well all of the online vendors still list it at a somewhat reasonable $12-14 a box, but as we know, it has been perpetually out of stock for years. I don't usually need .22 rounds, but the .22 WMR was the best option I had for tracking down and dispatching an aggressive male sheep out on an island.

My next purchase is going to be a .22LR (which I do not alarmingly have at my disposal (!!!)), skip the .22WMR and .22 Hornet because of cost and availability. Then I will get a .22-250 leaving .223 for the AR. Popular game shot with heavier calibers I would rather test with 65 lbs. and 100/125 grain.

 

[Acadia]

My next purchase is going to be a .22LR (which I do not alarmingly have at my disposal (!!!)), skip the .22WMR and .22 Hornet because of cost and availability. Then I will get a .22-250 leaving .223 for the AR. Popular game shot with heavier calibers I would rather test with 65 lbs. and 100/125 grain.

Good point. Looks like lots of cheap good .22 LR ammunition around. Any suggestions for a utilitarian .22 LR rifle?

 

[TUCKnTRUCK]

That poll shows a majority of Americans want stricter gun control.

If all you can do is read the peaks on a graph, you'll never see the bigger picture.

Area under the graph is where it's at.

Anyways, most Polls today don't support the Gallup data, and Gallup won't publish its sample group.

 

[Beefy McGee]

Good point. Looks like lots of cheap good .22 LR ammunition around. Any suggestions for a utilitarian .22 LR rifle?

I know a lot of folks that like the Ruger 10/22 for a semi-auto, and a Marlin for a bolt-action. The 10/22 has a lot of aftermarket stock mods and such if you want to tweak a standard version.

I'm thinking about a .22 pistol for plinking soon.

 

[TUCKnTRUCK]

Good point. Looks like lots of cheap good .22 LR ammunition around. Any suggestions for a utilitarian .22 LR rifle?

10/22 takedown. Easy answer.
Accurate, reliable, packable, light. A replacement barrel takes 10 seconds to instal. You can fit it in a backpack, and it will run forever.

 

[Beefy McGee]

10/22 takedown. Easy answer

Lol I beat you to it!

 

[Acadia]

I wondered if they still made the 10/22. What about a bolt option? My .22 WMR is an old Marlin that is a great simple gun. Are they still making decent quality stuff?

 

[Acadia]

Looks like a short stainless barrel 10/22 with a synthetic stock would be a nice durable option. Cheap too.

 

[milleR]

I've put at least 20,000 rounds through my 10/22 and it still shoots great.

 

[Beefy McGee]

I wondered if they still made the 10/22. What about a bolt option? My .22 WMR is an old Marlin that is a great simple gun. Are they still making decent quality stuff?

Yep. Pretty much the same design as 50 years ago. Might be a bit of plastic somewhere noncritical where once it was metal, but it's a .22, low power/pressure/stresses, so it's not much of a concern if they can keep costs down by doing it.

 

[n57flyguy]

Good point. Looks like lots of cheap good .22 LR ammunition around. Any suggestions for a utilitarian .22 LR rifle?

Utilitarian? The Ruger 10-22 seems to be very popular - it is accurate, cheap, and fun to shoot. My focus has been getting into distance shooting with smaller calibers, and my mind has been made up on a CZ455 Varmint. I bring that up because the 455 has an interchangeable barrel system between .22LR, .22WMR, and .17HMR which might be of interest to you. They make a quality rifle, so that might be worth considering for a newer bolt gun that serves a utilitarian purpose as well, with virtually no sacrifice from the lower end spectrum of a fine rifle manufacture (the stock trigger is known for its creep - a ~$20 spring kit fixes that, or you can upgrade to a Timmeny ~$250).