The Attack on the 2nd Amendment Continues

Actually, the numbers don't speak for themselves. They're just a number. A number doesn't have a meaning outside of simply representing a mathematical value.

You're actually the one who was trying to use that number to "speak" to a point.

But it still kinda does. When only 36% of the population owns guns, and considering how many guns exist here, statistics show - and also a logical conclusion - that single individuals own multiple+ guns. Doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, it just is.

My issue with it are the unemployed lower echelon of society who somehow still buy guns when clearly, their financial situation does not seem sound to do so. Case in point would be the unemployed idiot at Chapel Hill who still bought guns (despite being unemployed) and then later used one of those guns to head shot execute 3 UNC Chapel Hill students.
 
But it still kinda does. When only 36% of the population owns guns, and considering how many guns exist here, statistics show - and also a logical conclusion - that single individuals own multiple+ guns. Doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, it just is.

My issue with it are the unemployed lower echelon of society who somehow still buy guns when clearly, their financial situation does not seem sound to do so. Case in point would be the unemployed idiot at Chapel Hill who still bought guns (despite being unemployed) and then later used one of those guns to head shot execute 3 UNC Chapel Hill students.

So are we supposed to have the government tell us how we can spend what little money some have?
 
But it still kinda does. When only 36% of the population owns guns, and considering how many guns exist here, statistics show - and also a logical conclusion - that single individuals own multiple+ guns. Doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, it just is.

My issue with it are the unemployed lower echelon of society who somehow still buy guns when clearly, their financial situation does not seem sound to do so. Case in point would be the unemployed idiot at Chapel Hill who still bought guns (despite being unemployed) and then later used one of those guns to head shot execute 3 UNC Chapel Hill students.


So now we need a Means test to buy a gun? WTF?
 
My issue with it are the unemployed lower echelon of society who somehow still buy guns when clearly, their financial situation does not seem sound to do so. Case in point would be the unemployed idiot at Chapel Hill who still bought guns (despite being unemployed) and then later used one of those guns to head shot execute 3 UNC Chapel Hill students.
Well, we better have the government monitor every single American who purchases a vehicle then. Plenty of people buying vehicles on time that really cannot afford them including those who are on welfare and those who are unemployed or make a lower standard of pay. People in vehicles drive recklessly, drive when fatigued, drive while texting, drive while drunk or otherwise impaired, drive while distracted, drive with suspended driver's licenses and cause thousands of deaths each year.

Your point is completely asinine. Murderers have also stolen guns and borrowed guns from someone they know who has them. Same goes for drivers, they have borrowed vehicles and stolen vehicles and caused fatal accidents with them.

The government cannot successfully control or even monitor themselves, so lets just start giving up more of our rights and freedoms over to them. Sounds like a marvelous plan.

While we are at it, why are alcoholics allowed to buy alcohol? They get drunk and often get into fights, kill people, injure people, abuse the spouses and children, drive while impaired, damage/destroy public and private property, etc. Government better go around to each home in this nation and start testing people and searching their homes for liquor. Maybe even start issuing a special license that you need to purchase booze as well. Perhaps they should start having the owners and employees of any retail shop, bar and restaurant that sells liquor, trained to administer sobriety tests to everyone looking to buy a beer.
 
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Poor folks don't deserve the opportunity to own legal products, apparently.

We want equal opportunity, but only equal opportunity for the specific things the benevolent, enlightened ruling class wants everyone else to have.
 
But it still kinda does. When only 36% of the population owns guns, and considering how many guns exist here, statistics show - and also a logical conclusion - that single individuals own multiple+ guns. Doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, it just is.

Ah, but that's not the statistic you were trying to make the number "speak for".

Even if there are only 150 million firearms owners instead of 300 million, the number of "mass shootings" is still, by far, a statistical outlier.

Want to know what isn't an outlier?

People who are already prohibited persons, who illegally acquire a firearm, and use it in the commission of a crime. It is usually criminals killing other criminals. In fact, this makes up the vast majority of criminal firearms use in the United States.

If you're actually concerned about "gun violence", then start with laws that show efficacy in impacting that. Stop fixating on the bright, shiny objects that are dangled in front of your eyes in the media and which do nearly nothing to impact this core problem.
 
Well, we better have the government monitor every single American who purchases a vehicle then. Plenty of people buying vehicles on time that really cannot afford them including those who are on welfare and those who are unemployed or make a lower standard of pay. People in vehicles drive recklessly, drive when fatigued, drive while texting, drive while drunk or otherwise impaired, drive while distracted, drive with suspended driver's licenses and cause thousands of deaths each year.

Your point is completely asinine. Murderers have also stolen guns and borrowed guns from someone they know who has them. Same goes for drivers, they have borrowed vehicles and stolen vehicles and caused fatal accidents with them.

The government cannot successfully control or even monitor themselves, so lets just start giving up more of our rights and freedoms over to them. Sounds like a marvelous plan.

While we are at it, why are alcoholics allowed to buy alcohol? They get drunk and often get into fights, kill people, injure people, abuse the spouses and children, drive while impaired, damage/destroy public and private property, etc. Government better go around to each home in this nation and start testing people and searching their homes for liquor. Maybe even start issuing a special license that you need to purchase booze as well. Perhaps they should start having the owners and employees of any retail shop, bar and restaurant that sells liquor, trained to administer sobriety tests to everyone looking to buy a beer.


ALL vehicles must be registered. Pretty sure that's a road the gun-folks don't want to go down.
 
Ah, but that's not the statistic you were trying to make the number "speak for".

Even if there are only 150 million firearms owners instead of 300 million, the number of "mass shootings" is still, by far, a statistical outlier.

Want to know what isn't an outlier?

People who are already prohibited persons, who illegally acquire a firearm, and use it in the commission of a crime. It is usually criminals killing other criminals. In fact, this makes up the vast majority of criminal firearms use in the United States.

If you're actually concerned about "gun violence", then start with laws that show efficacy in impacting that. Stop fixating on the bright, shiny objects that are dangled in front of your eyes in the media and which do nearly nothing to impact this core problem.

We've already discussed the criminal-on-criminal and gang-on-gang violence. I think everyone is in agreement the #1 killer from guns is via suicide and then homicide of bad-on-bad guys. But we aren't talking about these crimes. The mass shooting crowd has tended to be, largely, NON-criminals who don't have a criminal history but rather, a mental-health history. They aren't bad guys (except their mental health record) until the barrel is pointed at someone and trigger pulled.
 
Good thing we don't have to as Driving is not a right.......

But people treat it as such, and look what happens.

Legal gun ownership, DESPITE the 2A, is also not a "right." There are circumstances that can and will stop you from legally buying a gun. Eg, convicted felon, domestic abuse history, any of several cases in which the government has decided and stated on paper you cannot legally buy a firearm for.
 
But people treat it as such, and look what happens.
It doesn't matter how some people "treat" or "think" of driving. It is a privilege and that is stated all over the DMV's websites and in their driving manuals and it is also what is taught in Driver's Ed classes/courses. The law is one thing, your interpretation of a law has nothing to do with reality or truth.

Driving is not a constitutional right. You get your drivers license based on the skills you have and the rules you agree to follow. After you get your driving license you must continue to demonstrate your ability to drive safely on the road. If you fail to demonstrate this ability, you will be issued traffic tickets, or even have your license suspended or revoked.

ALL vehicles must be registered. Pretty sure that's a road the gun-folks don't want to go down.

There are plenty of people driving around with unregistered vehicles. At some point, some of them get caught.

Does registration of vehicles stop people from not carrying the proper insurance for their vehicles? Does it stop them from using drugs and drinking and then driving? Has it stopped them from purposefully running down people? Has the registration of a vehicle stopped motorists from texting and talking on the cell phones while driving, putting on makeup and dozens of other distractions? Has auto registration stopped people from falling asleep at the wheel? Has auto registration stopped people from racing, speeding, tailgating and driving recklessly? Has auto registration stopped anyone form stealing a car or borrowing a car?

If you're on welfare, and using my tax payer money, abso-freakin-lutely. Also should be mandatory drug testing for anyone on food stamps.
When are where did he mention welfare in his post? Or did you just throw that in there for some reason that makes no sense to anyone but yourself?

Really, you are just grasping at straws with your last several replies here and making yourself look really silly. You aren't even making sense any longer.
 
It doesn't matter how some people "treat" or "think" of driving. It is a privilege and that is stated all over the DMV's websites and in their driving manuals and it is also what is taught in Driver's Ed classes/courses. The law is one thing, your interpretation of a law has nothing to do with reality or truth.

Driving is not a constitutional right. You get your drivers license based on the skills you have and the rules you agree to follow. After you get your driving license you must continue to demonstrate your ability to drive safely on the road. If you fail to demonstrate this ability, you will be issued traffic tickets, or even have your license suspended or revoked.



There are plenty of people driving around with unregistered vehicles. At some point, some of them get caught.

Does registration of vehicles stop people from not carrying the proper insurance for their vehicles? Does it stop them from using drugs and drinking and then driving? Has it stopped them from purposefully running down people? Has the registration of a vehicle stopped motorists from texting and talking on the cell phones while driving, putting on makeup and dozens of other distractions? Has auto registration stopped people from falling asleep at the wheel? Has auto registration stopped people from racing, speeding, tailgating and driving recklessly? Has auto registration stopped anyone form stealing a car or borrowing a car?

When are where did he mention welfare in his post? Or did you just throw that in there for some reason that makes no sense to anyone but yourself?

Really, you are just grasping at straws with your last several replies here and making yourself look really silly. You aren't even making sense any longer.

I see you conveniently ignored the part of the 2A also not stopping the government from making laws that PROHIBIT citizens from being able to legally buy a gun. You make it sound like the 2A is a constitutional right, period. Whereas reality is, cooler heads have prevailed and we have said that there have to be exceptions. If you are a convicted felon, rapist, police killer, domestic abuser, crimes along those lines, you are not allowed to buy a weapon legally. So in some ways, it is a "privilege."

Welfare comment was in regards to that Chapel Hill shooter, who I believe at the time he was unemployed and collecting government checks.
 
ALL vehicles must be registered. Pretty sure that's a road the gun-folks don't want to go down.

This is false. I have a motorcycle that's exclusively for race-track use. It's never operated on a public road, only on private property. It's not registered, and has no VIN. Vehicles only require registration when operated on public roads. If we're going to have state run and funded gun ranges... Then you might have a point.
 
This is false. I have a motorcycle that's exclusively for race-track use. It's never operated on a public road, only on private property. It's not registered, and has no VIN. Vehicles only require registration when operated on public roads. If we're going to have state run and funded gun ranges... Then you might have a point.
That was always one of the funny "arguments" posed, the whole regulate guns like cars thing.

Ok. So I can have anything I want, as much power, as few safety features, anything, never tell anyone about it, and I can give it to anyone I please, even a two year old, so long as It never touches publicly maintained infrastructure?

Sweet!

Damn. I posted in here. $25. bucks to the NRA. For some reason they seem to make the anti gun cry the most.
 
Yet another mass shooting, this one in Kansas at Excel Industries. Sounds like work place violence. Police have killed the mass shooter, multiple casualties reported, no final number yet.

Just another day, yet again
 
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What is that? An AK and a G18?
 
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