Stop screwing up with Atlantic crossings….

[Autothrust Blue]

It’s embarrassing to hear.

One night down Managua, Nicaragua way, the silence on the darkened flight deck was abruptly broken with:

DFW Captain: "Ah can't understand these goddamned Mexican controllers"
Me: "Well, first of all, dude at Cenamer is sitting in Honduras and he is probably not Mexican, though it's surely conceivable. Second of all, he sounds pretty clear to me despite the fact that he's coming to us via a phone line that hooks up to a VHF radio that he has to key and unkey with number tones."

 

[Screaming_Emu]

Oddly, I find myself teaching experienced pilots how to hear and be heard in ICAO environments.

People like to laugh at the videos of JFK controllers berating foreign pilots, but generally the controllers are using absolute garbage phraseology.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

People like to laugh at the videos of JFK controllers berating foreign pilots, but generally the controllers are using absolute garbage phraseology.

Shocking, really, that some really scary runway incursions have happened there. Utterly shocking.

 

[derg]

EXACTLY the way they say it, or you’re going to repeat.

“It’s in the notes”

“Oh, I haven’t read those”

“You know this is OE, right?”

 

[derg]

People like to laugh at the videos of JFK controllers berating foreign pilots, but generally the controllers are using absolute garbage phraseology.

Truth. It’s like they speak in conversations “Now I want to to pull up and hold short of at alpha alpha wait for a three eighty super and head into the ramp after ‘Merican you got a gate open?”

Something that simple, to us, would throw a non-native English person in for a spin. Yet they do it, are misunderstood and now they’re screaming into the mic like:

 

[derg]

One night down Managua, Nicaragua way, the silence on the darkened flight deck was abruptly broken with:

DFW Captain: "Ah can't understand these goddamned Mexican controllers"
Me: "Well, first of all, dude at Cenamer is sitting in Honduras and he is probably not Mexican, though it's surely conceivable. Second of all, he sounds pretty clear to me despite the fact that he's coming to us via a phone line that hooks up to a VHF radio that he has to key and unkey with number tones."

Lemme guess. No headset, with the volume CRANKED and his ‘airing of his grievances’ keeps getting interrupted by otherwise legit radio calls…

 

[ASpilot2be]

“It’s in the notes”

“Oh, I haven’t read those”

“You know this is OE, right?”

We're supposed to take a survey before operating in China vouching that you read the Theater Guide.

 

[derg]

We're supposed to take a survey before operating in China vouching that you read the Theater Guide.

It’s almost bordering on being an SAQ (Special Airport Qualification) airport. Luckily, its one of our longest flights so there’s plenty of time to review and enough boomer paranoia to actually take the time to read the information.

“I hear CHICOM will arrest you if you have to repeat a radio call”

“Yes! So let’s listen-up and make sure we’ve got the procedures down cold because we don’t want to be, uhhh, arrested or something”

 

[ASpilot2be]

It’s almost bordering on being an SAQ (Special Airport Qualification) airport. Luckily, its one of our longest flights so there’s plenty of time to review and enough boomer paranoia to actually take the time to read the information.

“I hear CHICOM will arrest you if you have to repeat a radio call”

“Yes! So let’s listen-up and make sure we’ve got the procedures down cold because we don’t want to be, uhhh, arrested or something”

China is the only place I have gotten yelled at over CPDLC. I saw the logon address on the Jepp chart, so logged on. They instantly messaged back asking why we logged on, and to immediately log off.

Turns out it's only usable on one specific airway.

 

[///AMG]

Is China still requiring foreign pilots (coughFedEx) to get visas, and then requiring the mil ones to submit DD-214's as documentation for said visa? I kinda missed the news on that one and whatever ALPA/unions had accomplished with that one. Talk about a blatantly obvious and irrefutable espionage attempt

 

[///AMG]

China is the only place I have gotten yelled at over CPDLC. I saw the logon address on the Jepp chart, so logged on. They instantly messaged back asking why we logged on, and to immediately log off.

Turns out it's only usable on one specific airway.

I wish you could respond in bigger all caps than them, since we built the system.

 

[bp]

Is China still requiring foreign pilots (coughFedEx) to get visas, and then requiring the mil ones to submit DD-214's as documentation for said visa? I kinda missed the news on that one and whatever ALPA/unions had accomplished with that one. Talk about a blatantly obvious and irrefutable espionage attempt

I think that went away over a year ago, I did mine in the spring and the app instructions explicitly said not to include dd-214s

 

[derg]

Still need visas though.

Took about a week, not really a problem.

 

[mikecweb]

The China Visa process is very dependent on where you live and the associated embassy. Rules for application living on the west coast and midsouth are very different.

 

[derg]

The China Visa process is very dependent on where you live and the associated embassy. Rules for application living on the west coast and midsouth are very different.

WEST COAST BEST COAST BIYAAAAAAAAAAAATCH!

 

[bp]

The China Visa process is very dependent on where you live and the associated embassy. Rules for application living on the west coast and midsouth are very different.

company did all the legwork for us, I think they funneled them thru some third party outfit from chicago

 

[derg]

We use expeditors for everything.

 

[bp]

still a pretty invasive process, not sure why they need my high school but ill add them to the list of people disappointed in me once they get a hold of my report cards

 

[Skåning]

People like to laugh at the videos of JFK controllers berating foreign pilots, but generally the controllers are using absolute garbage phraseology.

Are you not entertained!!!

Shocking, really, that some really scary runway incursions have happened there. Utterly shocking.

Yeah by the native English speakers
#ShockedFace

 

[Toobdrvr]

One night down Managua, Nicaragua way, the silence on the darkened flight deck was abruptly broken with:

DFW Captain: "Ah can't understand these goddamned Mexican controllers"
Me: "Well, first of all, dude at Cenamer is sitting in Honduras and he is probably not Mexican, though it's surely conceivable. Second of all, he sounds pretty clear to me despite the fact that he's coming to us via a phone line that hooks up to a VHF radio that he has to key and unkey with number tones."

Totally read that in this voice: