Stop screwing up with Atlantic crossings….

[JordanD]

Looks like stuff I’ll need to study up on when I get displaced to a newly reopened NYC base

Seattle to London on Alaskawaiian!*

*via JFK

Ayahuascan

 

[ASpilot2be]

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You'll be doing it soon enough in the mighty guppy.

 

[Jordan793]

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Doing the WATRs routes (I don’t even think it’s called that anymore) is harder than crossing the Atlantic. When I was on the 737, they’d always put the few CPDLC birds on like ATL-BNA routes because that makes a lot of sense

 

[Wardogg]

My grandpa was a flight navigator, in addition to all of his other certificates (from A&P to ATP to CFI).

I don’t even know who you’d get a civilian checkride for that with, nowadays. But I’ve always wanted to learn how to do that stuff.

I had a Nav show me the ways once on a 10 hour crossing. Having had shot the actual sun lines and the math, I still didn’t comprehend much. The book was neat to look through though. Could tell you where the sun and moons and a few stars would be at any given time and position on earth. I assume they still publish them?

 

[Roger Roger]

Ayahuascan

Really going for the Burner Bro target demographic there

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Looks like stuff I’ll need to study up on when I get displaced to a newly reopened NYC base

Seattle to London on Alaskawaiian!*

*via JFK

Don’t worry. That would go uber senior.

 

[TUCKnTRUCK]

It’s so much easier. Your clearance is your clearance. No need to request it. You’ll get PD to oceanic altitude on VHF from gander or Moncton. Similar on the way west. CPDLC with nothing more than a selcal check.

Crossings have become relatively boorish now.

I should clarify, you still send your RCL- but as long as not rejected you’re good to go. You’re not getting it back via ACARS 15 minutes from coast out- verifying your waypoints and trying to figure out how to shorthand a half latitude point into your FMS last second.

The clearance you get on the ground is your clearance. Your RCL will be acknowledged and then you’re good to go.

 

[Minuteman]

Ironically, some systems are going camera based celestial nav as GPS is spoofable- there’s been rumor of an optical unit for aircraft as well.

That’s a star tracker. In some way that my ape brain can’t comprehend, they had a cooler-sized digital computer, database of stars, & optics on the SR-71 since 1962 doing computer vision processing and constantly shooting positions.

The Nortronics NAS-14V2 was retroactively nicknamed “R2-D2” after the movie came out.

And I assume it called “NAS” because pilats would immediately turn “Astroinertial Navigation System” in “the anus.”

 

[TUCKnTRUCK]

That’s a star tracker. In some way that my ape brain can’t comprehend, they had a cooler-sized digital computer, database of stars, & optics on the SR-71 since 1962 doing computer vision processing and constantly shooting positions.

The Nortronics NAS-14V2 was retroactively nicknamed “R2-D2” after the movie came out.

And I assume it called “NAS” because pilats would immediately turn “Astroinertial Navigation System” in “the anus.”

Yep.. except now it’s smaller than a cell phone and works daylight as well…

Rumors have it that magnetic variation and rate/change/dip are also being explored. Dunno. Just think it’s funny going back to the era of flat earths and sailing ships.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Looks like stuff I’ll need to study up on when I get displaced to a newly reopened NYC base

Seattle to London on Alaskawaiian!*

*via JFK

As long as the welcome aboard for that is written in the same style that the commentators in Pitch Perfect were, it won’t be that bad…right?

 

[roundout]

Doing the WATRs routes (I don’t even think it’s called that anymore) is harder than crossing the Atlantic. When I was on the 737, they’d always put the few CPDLC birds on like ATL-BNA routes because that makes a lot of sense

They still are. Flew one atl-PNS the other day.

 

[Kingairer]

Doing the WATRs routes (I don’t even think it’s called that anymore) is harder than crossing the Atlantic. When I was on the 737, they’d always put the few CPDLC birds on like ATL-BNA routes because that makes a lot of sense

 

[MikeD]

I’ve crossed the north Atlantic in an airplane that used celestial nav as the primary source backing up a drifting INS. Giving position reports every hour on HF and now look at it.

My grandpa was a flight navigator, in addition to all of his other certificates (from A&P to ATP to CFI).

I don’t even know who you’d get a civilian checkride for that with, nowadays. But I’ve always wanted to learn how to do that stuff.

When USAF Undergraduate Navigator Training (UNT) school was at Mather AFB on the east side of Sacramento, the students who went to the Table Navigator track (one of three training tracks following the first 6 months of basic Nav training that all student Navigators did, known as Phase 1), would learn celestial navigation in the IMAX-style planetarium that was one of the training buildings on base. Was cool to be able to see it in person way back in the day.

 

[podrick]

You'll be doing it soon enough in the mighty guppy.

WestJet already is, had to do a double take seeing them at Gatwick.

 

[T/O w/FSII]

My grandpa was a flight navigator, in addition to all of his other certificates (from A&P to ATP to CFI).

I don’t even know who you’d get a civilian checkride for that with, nowadays. But I’ve always wanted to learn how to do that stuff.

There's only been two flight navigator certificates issued since 2014. Both in 2021 and one of them is my good friend. In 2021 it sounded like it was near impossible, but he managed to do it. He also has every other certificate almost and like 23 type ratings
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I can put you in contact if you're serious, but it very well might not be possible anymore since the only people alive that know how to do them are pretty much on the way out.

 

[ahw01]

Can't find this on the FAA site, but https://www.amazon.co.uk/Navigator-Handbook-FAA-H-8083-18-Aviation-Administration/dp/1717423701

 

[invadertim]

If your interested in how they did celestial navigation truly old school; ie Oliver Hazard Perry on the quarterdeck of USS Constitution with a marine chronometer and sextant, there's a book called Longitude. It's a really good book, Neil Armstrong wrote the introduction. It talks all about the various theories they tried and what it took to invent the first truly accurate clocks needed to make it all work. 5/5, have read and own...

Longitude (book) - Wikipedia

 

[derg]

Also we need to stop sounding like amateurs on the radio anywhere outside of US airspace. It's getting embarrassing.

Yeah, but I won’t sound cool for my TikTok video that I film of myself doing absolutely normal things pilots did thousands of times per day for decades without the need for validation or likes.

Improper radio use eats up bandwidth. Some moron during “peak” at Haneda did the whole “TOK E YOOOOO, Airliner 123 checking in with ya onboard at flight level 1-4-0 with information Juliet, how ya doin, lookin’ for the right side”

“Aircraft calling say again?”

And he did the whole spiel all over again.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

I can put you in contact if you're serious, but it very well might not be possible anymore since the only people alive that know how to do them are pretty much on the way out

It’s not the oddest idea I’ve had. Always wanted to learn how to do that stuff.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Improper radio use eats up bandwidth. Some moron during “peak” at Haneda did the whole “TOK E YOOOOO, Airliner 123 checking in with ya onboard at flight level 1-4-0 with information Juliet, how ya doin, lookin’ for the right side”

And yes I know this is a poor translation but u am still laughing at it.