Roger Roger
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Yep. I mean hell I oughta throw in some medevac stories for good measure. Although statutes of limitations on those might not be expired like the air pirate ones.
Spirit Furloughing
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You're joking, right? $399 for a trip on Delta is a steal. It was probably the same price in 1983.
Spirit has been selling tickets for almost nothing for years - it was sustainable until half their fleet got parked and consumers preferences changed rapidly. You've spoken happily before about how you like buying tickets on spirit, so certainly this isn't much of a surprise? And as a spirit customer, you must know that the $53 turns in to several hundred by the time you throw a carry on in the overhead or check a bag.
Also, it's almost as if cherry picking one city pair on one day doesn't tell you the whole story about airline network planning, or revenue and cost structure.
RORO
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I just did the monster math so you don't have to. Its $486 for him to drive his Bronco to Detroit lol
Autothrust Blue
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And that’s just fuel, no?
RORO
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I only searched nonstop.
Yes, $399 is high. And even that is Basic economy so like Spirit, you still gotta add bags and seat selection. 6 yrs here in LA and the fam hasn’t taken Delta once to DTW. Can’t justify $1,197 when one can do $150 for all 3 tickets total.
Yes, $399 is high. And even that is Basic economy so like Spirit, you still gotta add bags and seat selection. 6 yrs here in LA and the fam hasn’t taken Delta once to DTW. Can’t justify $1,197 when one can do $150 for all 3 tickets total.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
And then there’s the BS airlines do where skip lagging shows it’s cheaper with a connection for the same flight.
Eg, both cases is the redeye from LA to DTW. But the continuing flight from DTW-BUF makes the whole flight cheaper.
$299 nonstop , or same redeye to DTW and connect to Buffalo for $144.
Eg, both cases is the redeye from LA to DTW. But the continuing flight from DTW-BUF makes the whole flight cheaper.
$299 nonstop , or same redeye to DTW and connect to Buffalo for $144.
arkflyr
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I got to see a wide cross section of 135 operators during my years at the FBO and was fortunate to start at AirNet before they went downhill and when they did I stumbled into ACT. With them I thought I knew what I was getting into, my first ride in a check hauling freighter was one of their MU-2s when I was just a private pilot but I didn’t know how far they had fallen by the time I got there.
In hindsight I probably should have known given how rough of shape AirNet was in but it was 2009 and I wanted a job that kept me in Denver and turbine PIC.
I don’t mean this to pile on to the guy that owned ACT as it’s failing took him out personally as well, he was no saint but he stuck it out until the end, and it came on a cold sunny day
I took this when the DO and I brought the last MU-2 back to be repossessed right after Christmas. We were back the following March, sans the original owner, a new name, and mostly the same people.
bimmerphile
MCAS Meat Inhibition Logic
formative experience putting a boot on a brasilia for the sked 135 operator on the field right before their bk- poor FO was like a 22 year old girl crying in the lobby while the ca had a glazed over expression of “ahh sh*t here we go again”
I don't know, if the joke deals with full flights and the Air Line's profits, alone, responsible for 40% of total US airline's profits for 2024, yeah, $399 is probably too low.
10% (of gross 2024 wages) proffy coming next month, the Air Line is doing something right, you have to admit.
Additionally, by the time you build a similar "product" at NK compared to the competition, your a la carte pricing is going to be very much near the market price -- assigned seat, checked baggage, etc etc etc.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I’m sure they are.
But we have points (mileage) and credit card on Spirit. And up until recently, they were sole source nonstop PIT to LAX. And some days, sole CLE-LAX when United wasn’t running. I’ll take nonstop over a connection due to young kids. Spirit just works (worked) better for both DTW and PIT/CLE to LAX.
Now with BKcy, Spirit has cancelled PIT and CLE to LAX. Just flew Breeze for the first time PIT to LAX. And AA starts daily service on this same route. We may be changing allegiance down the road. But for the time being, using up Spirit points/benefits.
AA will knock-out Breeze from the market and then either jack fares up or pull out.
Free market, baby!
And why did I ban Chris Ford, by the way?
CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
You missed your calling as an airline executive. Your talents are being squandered.
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
$399 to expensive? Hahahahaha….
When I was a kid, my mother and I had to make a trip by air. Florida to Buffalo. $400 each.
1975.
I love to hear people complain like this. It’s like when there’s 400 channels of TV, but someone complains there’s “nothing on”.
1975, big market, 3 channels VHF, 1 PBS station that showed a clock 18 hours a day and 2 scratchy ass UHF channels showing reruns of Bozo the Clown.
When I was a kid, my mother and I had to make a trip by air. Florida to Buffalo. $400 each.
1975.
I love to hear people complain like this. It’s like when there’s 400 channels of TV, but someone complains there’s “nothing on”.
1975, big market, 3 channels VHF, 1 PBS station that showed a clock 18 hours a day and 2 scratchy ass UHF channels showing reruns of Bozo the Clown.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
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Autothrust Blue
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Though, in all seriousness, much of what was “broken” at Spirit was the comparably low fleet utilization (block hours / airframe / day) when I left versus the pre-pandemic utilization. For some reason (I have guesses, but I won’t be sharing) that number never really recovered. Having half the fleet grounded because Pratt doesn’t help that either and having less of a labor cost discount (not sorry, there) also doesn’t help.
But the utilization number is management’s problem and fault, hands freaking down. If the jet is not moving, it cannot make money.
But the utilization number is management’s problem and fault, hands freaking down. If the jet is not moving, it cannot make money.
Management brainstorming: If you slowly get rid of pilots, you slowly maintain the salaries. They’ll never notice the difference…..until it’s too late.