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I did CA OE with a guy who had literally seen his first 727 and couldn't believe there was an engine in the tail.
I do miss the days when every narrowbody jet wasn't a 320 or a 737. Heck, I rarely see 75's.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I flew with a FO who didn’t know what a L1011 was.
That thing was a beast.
SurferLucas
Southern Gentleman
I flew with a FO who didn’t know what a L1011 was.
This is an L-1011 giving that FO a “are you stupid, or something” look of disappointment
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
FIFY. When one of those things cranked up on a cooler day, it was instant IFR on the ramp.
It also made some very peculiar noises, akin to a calliope being run over by a steamroller.
ERfly
Well-Known Member
Back in my gate agent days in college, I used to love working ATA's L10s...when they worked!
Had a mechanic tell me once:
"Most airplanes roll as soon as you release the brakes. This thing is solid. It's like a '68 Lincoln. You gotta give it gas to make it go!"
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I flew with a FO born 1997 from SoCal. We were taking about midair/collision risks and I mentioned PSA 182 at SAN. Crickets. Aeromexico 498 approaching LAX in Cerritos. Crickets again.
The latter led to TCAS mandates. And being from this area, you’d think he’d know?
Another FO didn’t know what a L1011 was.
I’m sure before retirement, when asked about our career, they’ll say, “a CRJ? What was that?”
The latter led to TCAS mandates. And being from this area, you’d think he’d know?
Another FO didn’t know what a L1011 was.
I’m sure before retirement, when asked about our career, they’ll say, “a CRJ? What was that?”
A300Capt
Freight Dawg
Ahhhh….the good ole days!
When every jet wasn’t a twin that looked like every other twin. It’s one of the reason I enjoyed the MD11 so much…it was different. Back in the day we had beautiful Tri-holers, DC-9’s, DC-8’s, classic Whales…equipped with 3-man (person) crews and navigation was primarily VOR, NDB’s and radar vectors. Long range consisted of INS, Loran and Omega. GPS and backup triple IRS, moving maps, iPads, SAT-COM and CPDLC…Pfffft! That was Star Trek stuff not yet available or thought of. Analog steam gauges were the norm. The B757/767 were the outliers. With the steam gauge jets you were actually required to know the systems inside and out (especially if you were a F/E), temps, pressures, time limits, system schematics, no FADECS or automatic system controllers to pilot protect you from yourself…
1989 and I upgraded to lowly f/o on the B757F. UPS was the launch customer for the freighter version of the 757. The Atari-Ferrari, the Starship Enterprise. I was a computer nerd in nerd Nirvana. Glass screens, triple IRS ( dual GPS now), magenta lines, LNAV/VNAV and automation out the whazoo. 600RVR autolands (300RVR on the MD11) were a huge improvement from CAT 1 approaches on the old analog birds. Seems like I went from caveman Wright brother flying to Star Trek overnight. Nowadays, a single engine Cessna has better avionics now then my first day on the B757 in ‘89, but it sure was something to behold back then. Going from VOR CDI’s and paper charts and magic markers to color moving maps, IRS/FMC accuracy and God’s eyeview SA which was a huge leap in navigation. Nowadays it’s the norm from day one of pilot training to the tip of the iceberg airliners like the B787 and A350’s which make the early B757’s look like analog birds.
Glad I got to witness a lot of it from the forward window seat. Avionics wise, it was probably a keen to how the DC-6/7 and Constellation guys felt when the first B707’s began showing up slicing flight times in half and flying over the weather instead of in it.
You don’t realize how much time has gone by and how much things have changed until you talk to a younger pilot and mention an accident, incident or historical aviation event and they have know idea what you’re talking about. Kinda of like talking about the Space Shuttle Challenger accident in 1986. It was pivotal to those of us that witnessed it on TV and is burned into our memories. Probably the youngster’s only response would be, “What’s a Space Shuttle?” You then realize that, the world keeps moving along, time waits for no one and….you become (in the blink of an eye) an old geezer!
One day these youngsters will be talking about how they actually “hand flew” the aircraft and how there use to be two pilots upfront….
When every jet wasn’t a twin that looked like every other twin. It’s one of the reason I enjoyed the MD11 so much…it was different. Back in the day we had beautiful Tri-holers, DC-9’s, DC-8’s, classic Whales…equipped with 3-man (person) crews and navigation was primarily VOR, NDB’s and radar vectors. Long range consisted of INS, Loran and Omega. GPS and backup triple IRS, moving maps, iPads, SAT-COM and CPDLC…Pfffft! That was Star Trek stuff not yet available or thought of. Analog steam gauges were the norm. The B757/767 were the outliers. With the steam gauge jets you were actually required to know the systems inside and out (especially if you were a F/E), temps, pressures, time limits, system schematics, no FADECS or automatic system controllers to pilot protect you from yourself…
1989 and I upgraded to lowly f/o on the B757F. UPS was the launch customer for the freighter version of the 757. The Atari-Ferrari, the Starship Enterprise. I was a computer nerd in nerd Nirvana. Glass screens, triple IRS ( dual GPS now), magenta lines, LNAV/VNAV and automation out the whazoo. 600RVR autolands (300RVR on the MD11) were a huge improvement from CAT 1 approaches on the old analog birds. Seems like I went from caveman Wright brother flying to Star Trek overnight. Nowadays, a single engine Cessna has better avionics now then my first day on the B757 in ‘89, but it sure was something to behold back then. Going from VOR CDI’s and paper charts and magic markers to color moving maps, IRS/FMC accuracy and God’s eyeview SA which was a huge leap in navigation. Nowadays it’s the norm from day one of pilot training to the tip of the iceberg airliners like the B787 and A350’s which make the early B757’s look like analog birds.
Glad I got to witness a lot of it from the forward window seat. Avionics wise, it was probably a keen to how the DC-6/7 and Constellation guys felt when the first B707’s began showing up slicing flight times in half and flying over the weather instead of in it.
You don’t realize how much time has gone by and how much things have changed until you talk to a younger pilot and mention an accident, incident or historical aviation event and they have know idea what you’re talking about. Kinda of like talking about the Space Shuttle Challenger accident in 1986. It was pivotal to those of us that witnessed it on TV and is burned into our memories. Probably the youngster’s only response would be, “What’s a Space Shuttle?” You then realize that, the world keeps moving along, time waits for no one and….you become (in the blink of an eye) an old geezer!
One day these youngsters will be talking about how they actually “hand flew” the aircraft and how there use to be two pilots upfront….
Box hauler
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Soul Brotha'
Off to go do Black guy stuff
Times be changing and it always will. Not surprised that many of the younger generation of aviators don’t know about many of the things mentioned above. I flew with a newer guy who I gave a descent planning lesson. We were coming down on an arrival and mid way through he goes boards out. I calmly ask him if he thinks we won’t make the crossing restriction? He says the plane(FMGC and MFD) are telling him he is high and he needs to get down. I ask him to use the 3:1 rule and see if we are really high(we were not). He had no clue what I was talking about. I then showed him my maths and explained how to calculate meeting a restriction. He liked it and appreciated me showing him the technique. That’s what we are here for.
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
Did you tell them Delta flew them?I flew with a FO who didn’t know what a L1011 was.
ClearedForOption
Displaced... again.
Airbus: Pardon me, you are a little off my profile.
Clr
You are a bit high.
CLR
More Drag
No... CLR
MORE DRAG.
Stop it... CLR
MORE DRAG!!
CLR, CLR, CLR....
MOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRE DRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!
Boards out...
...Airbus, saving us from math since 1984.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
That's the difference between button pushers and actual pilots.
"DRAG REQUIRED"
Button pushers: immediate reach for speed brakes.
That message comes on at +10 kts from descent speed on the VNAV page. If you're on Path already, and there is no speed restriction on the STAR, does it really require boards? Just give it a couple thousand feet and do your own mental math to see if you're gonna make that fix at 10 or 12k and at the appropriate speed.
"DRAG REQUIRED"
Button pushers: immediate reach for speed brakes.
That message comes on at +10 kts from descent speed on the VNAV page. If you're on Path already, and there is no speed restriction on the STAR, does it really require boards? Just give it a couple thousand feet and do your own mental math to see if you're gonna make that fix at 10 or 12k and at the appropriate speed.