Some Resume' Advice for you guys...

After reading through this discussion and the various opinions in this thread, I wanted to share some additional thoughts/insight I've gained here: the salient point was the idea of applying for a job you're obviously not qualified for.

I took this idea to four executives at my company - guys with heavy scar tissue in entrepreneurial areas, who have managed large workforces for decades and have interviewed hundreds of applicants over the years.

The consensus was that when you apply for a job you're not qualified for, you're gambling on the screener/hiring manager's willingness to be flexible and creative. Generally, it's not a good idea, because most of the time you'll get weeded out right off the bat. But sometimes, a hiring manager may have more latitude than the job description and may, at his discretion, take another look at you if there is something mitigating in the resume or application.

In short, it's a gamble. They also agreed that it depends on the kind of job at hand. In the case of the position I'm trying to fill, those basic qualifications are a hard line I have to toe, because I do not have the resources to train a telephony field engineer from the ground up.

In pilot-speak, we're not able to do ab-initio.

So. I will concede the point that applying for something you're not qualified for can, indeed, pay off. But it's a long-odds gamble.

Good luck to all of you seeking jobs. I can tell you beyond the shadow of a doubt that every time I have to reject a resume, it bothers me a bit. I am fully cognizant that these are real people, with real needs and a real desire to work. I take no pleasure from having to tell an applicant no, or an outright rejection.
 
You guys are acting like I said people would throw away resumes with gmail in them, I didn't say that. What I said was that you may still get an interview but, like it or not, your email address is going to cause some pre-conceived notions about you. I also said that the part before the @ is more important but the part after affects people too. And a couple other people confirmed that.
 
You guys are acting like I said people would throw away resumes with gmail in them, I didn't say that. What I said was that you may still get an interview but, like it or not, your email address is going to cause some pre-conceived notions about you. I also said that the part before the @ is more important but the part after affects people too. And a couple other people confirmed that.

Someone else (TwilightFan91, perhaps?) posted that he immediately disposed of any resume where the email address ended in something he perceives as "unprofessional".

I'm curious what industry he is in, and hiring for.
 
Someone else (TwilightFan91, perhaps?) posted that he immediately disposed of any resume where the email address ended in something he perceives as "unprofessional".

I'm curious what industry he is in, and hiring for.

If you have 20 jobs to hire for and get 1000 resumes (not unheard of is it?) you're not going to read each and every one to find the best candidate... you'll nitpick it down to, say 100 and then read those more in depth.

Did you DQ a lot of qualified candidates? Yep.

Did you DQ the best candidate? Maybe.

Are there still qualified candidates in the stack? Absolutely.
 
This has been a real eye-opening experience - being in the position of hiring someone. I apologize if I'm coming off like a hardass - it's extremely hard to get a picture of a candidate from just looking at a resume, and I know there are probably hundreds of good, qualified folks out there. But if they don't communicate clearly with me, and tell me, simply, that they're worth taking a second look at, I can't help them.

Great tips, but you know what's scary? There's a lot of competition for jobs, and yet people still need to be told what you wrote? Are people really that clueless? Albert Einstein wouldn't need a 12 page resume. And applying for a job that you don't have the skills for? Hey, why don't I show up at the next tryout for an NFL team and see if they take me?

Remember the line from Jerry McGuire, help me help you? Well, that's what you have to do with the person who's getting your resume. Help him help you.

If you don't, as Killbilly said, you ain't getting nowhere.

Obviously the interviewer is going to have to give their sale but you as an applicant needs to know who you're applying for. No knowing shows that you don't want to be there or worse could care less about knowing.

Even during the dot com bubble days, a sure fire way to ruin your shot at a job was to have no clue about what the company did. Seriously, man. If you're going to interview with a company, is it too much for you to go to their website and check them out? If it is, don't plan on working there. I can't believe that people are actually saying they don't have time to check out the companies they apply to. If you don't check them out before you apply, at least check them out before the interview.

Separate but topic related question. Are cover letters necessary if the description say they are optional or if the job doesn't require a resume at all?

A cover letter gives you another chance to sell yourself and to show why your skills and experience match what the position needs. Why wouldn't you take advantage of that?

In advertising, there's something called frequency, and that's the number of times a person gets your marketing message. Know what frequency is needed before a person generally remembers the marketing message?

Four.

You don't get a chance to sell yourself to the prospective employer four times. You only get two, with the resume and cover letter.

I'd highly advise taking advantage of every chance you have. Unless, of course, you're applying for a position that I'm competing with you for. In that case, please send a resume full of grammatical errors and incorrectly spelled words and don't do a cover letter.
 
I went to Google and plugged in "professional email addresses". Several of the resultant companies allow you to generate a "professional" email address for about $20 a year. AND you can keep it and use it like a gmail, yahoo, hotmail, etc
 
I have to agree. I've been a professional software developer for 17 years, and I've never encountered an HR person that had a problem with an applicant's email domain.

I use gmail, and here is why:

In the last 15 years or so, my ISP email address has changed no fewer than 5 times.

:clap: +1

I am also a software developer. I have had the same firstname_lastname@hotmail.com email address since 1998. I have had zero problems getting jobs because of that email address.

Just stay away from the crazy addresses. superpilot@professionalsoundingdomain.com is still a stupid email address.
 
So. I will concede the point that applying for something you're not qualified for can, indeed, pay off. But it's a long-odds gamble.

You're saying that like there's no downside. And maybe there isn't. But if someone makes the mistake of letting me hire someone, there will most assuredly be downside. You waste my time, I waste your future time.
 
Because anything else is completely unprofessional and just looks tacky. Back when I was doing hiring, my rule was if the first part of the email was not derived from the name on the resume, it went in the trash. "cmiller@..." was accepted if the person's name was "Chris Miller" or something like that. "pilotman45" or even "pilotchris" not so much.

If the domain on the email was gmail, yahoo, etc, it went in the trash. Take the extra effort to register a more presentable domain. Also, if you're using a university email it was accepted if the first part was your real name, but only if you were actually still at that university. If you listed on your resume that you graduated in 2006 and you were still using your university email, it went in the trash.

My line of thinking is that this is a professional organization that is only interested in hiring professionals, and having a professional email address is part of being professional.
Of all the stupid-ass things to judge an applicant by, their choice in free email accounts has got to take the cake. That's like not hiring someone based on their choice of boxers or briefs. Irr-freakin-relevant.

FWIW, I wouldn't want to work for any company foolish enough to put someone with judgment like yours in charge of hiring.

Unbelievable.
 
thats like saying "whats so unprofessional about t-shirt and jeans?, it's just as good as a pressed suit"

hiring managers disagree

I've dealt with a lot of HR people, and I've even heard comments from managers about unprofessional email addresses, but it was never about the domain name.

OK "TwilightFan91".

Oh, snap!

If you are going to use gmail or yahoo at least set up a separate account for your business dealings.

No thanks. After reading this thread, I now realize that my gmail address is a great screening tool. It ensures that I'll never have to work at a company that puts ignorant buffoons that care about email domains in charge of hiring.
 
When i see a name like TwilightFan91, the first thing i think is, wow! Now there is a professional. I should learn from him!!

:sarcasm:
 
I've dealt with a lot of HR people, and I've even heard comments from managers about unprofessional email addresses, but it was never about the domain name.



Oh, snap!



No thanks. After reading this thread, I now realize that my gmail address is a great screening tool. It ensures that I'll never have to work at a company that puts ignorant buffoons that care about email domains in charge of hiring.

Good luck.
 
Don't need it. I was hired at Pinnacle with a hotmail address, and then at my current employer with a gmail address. Strangely enough, the recruiters didn't really care about my domain names. Crazy! :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: indeed.

I never realized people would take my advice so personally.

My only point was that your email address says something about you whether you want it to or not, and a resume should be designed to make you look as good as possible. The fact is, some companies that you DO want to work might filter your resume out based on your email address, not because they are ignorant or petty, but because they received a thousand resumes for twenty jobs and they have to filter them somehow...

why not make your resume as good as possible?

Seriously, what are you defending here?
 
The fact is, some companies that you DO want to work might filter your resume out based on your email address, not because they are ignorant or petty, but because they received a thousand resumes for twenty jobs and they have to filter them somehow...

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that they choose to do so by things like hours, ratings, and past employers, rather than email addresses.

But that's just me.
 
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