Skywest Questions
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ElihuSmails
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Try 91.175f. Specifically says that if you're a 121/135 operator, you must fly the ODP unless you've been assigned alternate instructions.
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-i...7e67798f&mc=true&node=se14.2.91_1175&rgn=div8
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
What is it you want to know?
bc2209
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If we are required to fly an odp in absence of a sid
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
After reading the link ahead I'm going to say yes.
BEEF SUPREME
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This was the case for 135 ops. I'd be surprised if it was not the case for 121
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Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
Not to be a jerk, but....duh.
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
No worries man! Wanted to give credit to the poster above who actually provided the FAR rather than just say yes
Roger Roger
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More in the spirit of, it's a little worrying to me that we have guys flying (or about to be flying) jets that are really asking if O(as in, obstacle) DPs are mandatory. Isn't this like day one of IFR ground school material?No worries man! Wanted to give credit to the poster above who actually provided the FAR rather than just say yes
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
It certainly is but I'm not the one who asked the question.
I don't think it's that worrisome. I'm not going to judge a brain fart like I don't have them. I'd rather have someone come here and get it clarified (or reaffirmed) than bite their tongue for some pride. I'm sure he's a smart guy.
Roger Roger
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I guess better to learn these lessons with a more experienced pilot next to you operating in a vast system designed to prevent you from screwing up than single pilot in a prop plane.
BEEF SUPREME
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There are a few dead flight nurses who would agree with you.
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ElihuSmails
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I think the OP was trying to find the proper reference, rather than just get an answer from a sea lawyer. I know it's easy to get scope-locked when you're suddenly thrust into the world of company manuals and OpSpecs.
vheissu
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C077 is the opspec you are looking for. You are required to comply with the ODP, SID, or ATC assigned departure unless you do a VMC climb. The stipulation with doing a VMC climb has to do with obstacle analysis. Following the aerodata climb profile meets the requirement for that.
Check out page 55 in the FOM/FAR cross reference for more info. If you don't know how to find that, its on SWOL info center-bulletins-training.
Check out page 55 in the FOM/FAR cross reference for more info. If you don't know how to find that, its on SWOL info center-bulletins-training.
bc2209
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Thank you.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
Make your life easier and just fly the ODP unless you have some other IFR climb instructions...VMC climbs are very EM2, and we don't do that anymore.
Landis
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I think the more valuable discussion would be to answer the question as asked. Not if we can ignore an ODP when there is no SID (no) but what to do under the unusual circumstance that there is no SID or ODP and you are cleared "as filed." This is where the confusion may lie. How about we answer that and back it up with a reference?
vheissu
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Any airport that is evaluated for an instrument approach is also evaluated for an ODP or SID. If neither exist, you are free to turn directly to your first fix at 400AGL, climbing at a rate of 200ft/nm. AIM 5-2-8
You would wait until 1000 AGL to turn if the weather is less than 1000-3 (Skywest specific on the CRJ, no idea about the ERJ). That can be found in the performance handbook located in company manuals on the EFB.
Same limitation