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Beep said:
Yeah, umm, about that...
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Ok? My name is at the top of the release. FOM and SOP says captain is responsible for the flight (jointly with dispatch) and flight crew. When the average IOE is over 100 hours for new hires...yea I'm not going to assume the best. Don't know call outs...I'll ASSUME you barely got by. Prove to me you didn't (and it's not hard to prove)...I won't assume.

They'll call me first if things go south. Don't think it'll go over well with a response of "Well I delegates that to the FO. He screwed up. Call him." They're next response will be "why didn't you do ___?"
 
B767 said:
Ok? My name is at the top of the release. FOM and SOP says captain is responsible for the flight (jointly with dispatch) and flight crew. When the average IOE is over 100 hours for new hires...yea I'm not going to assume the best. Don't know call outs...I'll ASSUME you barely got by. Prove to me you didn't (and it's not hard to prove)...I won't assume.

They'll call me first if things go south. Don't think it'll go over well with a response of "Well I delegates that to the FO. He screwed up. Call him." They're next response will be "why didn't you do ___?"
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Derg said:
That's a tier two spelling.

Sir, you are a Tier One™ Submariner.

The preferred lexicon is "Rosé"

Who is your new hire mentor? WHO IS IT?! Another flow? :)
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What do you mean another flow? I'd have to be one in order for him to be considered another!

and that's true on the spelling.
 
ian said:
shouldnt you be running the qrh and him flying?
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They are moving towards that. Previous company was "no matter what, hand he controls off and run the QRH." Here it was PM runs the QRH with the movement towards CA runs it. But we can still delegate it if it's something simple like "gen 1 off/reset. Gen 1 on"
 
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B767 said:
Ok? My name is at the top of the release. FOM and SOP says captain is responsible for the flight (jointly with dispatch) and flight crew. When the average IOE is over 100 hours for new hires...yea I'm not going to assume the best. Don't know call outs...I'll ASSUME you barely got by. Prove to me you didn't (and it's not hard to prove)...I won't assume.

They'll call me first if things go south. Don't think it'll go over well with a response of "Well I delegates that to the FO. He screwed up. Call him." They're next response will be "why didn't you do ___?"
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Well, if we're just going to make assumptions here, I guess I'll just assume that as you gain some experience as a captain that you'll learn how to actually use CRM to work through normal/abnormal situations in a crew environment.
I'll also assume you'll learn that making ignorant assumptions about someone's ability and or level of knowledge ( based on your personal opinion of course ) does not necessarily justify your desire to appoint yourself as an honorary check airman.
We're all human beings, we will all mis-speak, have moments of brain fade, Or are just plain wrong about things at times,etc... So, if you feel that the proper way to handle things when someone could use some true mentoring is to pile on to the situation with a " pop quiz " I have to ask, do you really think that is a great idea?
You should be happy to have a crew to work with, as a captain your crew is an asset, not a liability, but if you go about your job by being afraid that you may get in trouble for something because you're not the only person on the airplane, therefore 100% hands on in control of everything then maybe you should consider a different type of flying.
After all, there are plenty of single pilot jobs out there for people like that.

assumptions!
 
Beep said:
Well, if we're just going to make assumptions here, I guess I'll just assume that as you gain some experience as a captain that you'll learn how to actually use CRM to work through normal/abnormal situations in a crew environment.
I'll also assume you'll learn that making ignorant assumptions about someone's ability and or level of knowledge ( based on your personal opinion of course ) does not necessarily justify your desire to appoint yourself as an honorary check airman.
We're all human beings, we will all mis-speak, have moments of brain fade, Or are just plain wrong about things at times,etc... So, if you feel that the proper way to handle things when someone could use some true mentoring is to pile on to the situation with a " pop quiz " I have to ask, do you really think that is a great idea?
You should be happy to have a crew to work with, as a captain your crew is an asset, not a liability, but if you go about your job by being afraid that you may get in trouble for something because you're not the only person on the airplane, therefore 100% hands on in control of everything then maybe you should consider a different type of flying.
After all, there are plenty of single pilot jobs out there for people like that.

assumptions!
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And you just made a lot of assumptions about me. Where have I said I will "pop quiz" a crew member? I was merely providing an example to someone who asked a question. If the situation I described were to happen then I would be running the QRH anyways. The only way that wouldn't happen, and there would be a "need" for me to quiz them, was if I were incapacitated. The my "quiz" would be "if I were incapacitated..." And I'd stop. Because, well, I don't care what you do if I'm incapacitated. Honorary check airman? Nah. They get used and abused and get asked too many dumb ass questions. That ain't my cup of tea. I just want to show up and operate the trip safely, as a crew (even if that means it's pretty much single pilot because he FO is a dumbass), and go home.

I'm well aware of what a crew is. Well aware of what CRM is and haven't had any issues with it. I'm not some baby 1 year wonder captain. Going on my 6th year. I've seen the good and bad. Luckily where I'm at now, it's been 98% good. Previous employer...not so bueno. But thanks for giving your two cents! I can honestly admit that I have already forgotten what you wrote, and won't look at it ever again.
 
And yes. Captains can be dumbasses as well. Once had a captain that wanted to divert to SAT, while we were holding over CRP. For absolutely no reason. Started doing all the fuel calculations, how long we can hold, yada yada. ACARS dispatch said he wanted SAT. Dispatch even wrote why? Go to CRP. He didn't want to listen to me. He wanted to deplane the pax in CRP when we got there even though I mentioned I just heard IAH was open. A quick gas and go. Mope he still wanted to deplane. Luckily the rampers said there were no gates to deplane at. It was at that point I realized I was ready to upgrade.
 
ian said:
shouldnt you be running the qrh and him flying?
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I will add though. For WHATEVER reason they changed some stuff up. For better or worse has yet to be seen. The emergency descent used to be a memory for both CA and FO. They put it on the QRC and it's no longer a memory item. That's something you think the CA should run the QRC but nope! Turns into a monkey humping a football if the CA runs it. Better to have the FO run it and the CA "do as told by the QRC."
 
B767 said:
And you just made a lot of assumptions about me. Where have I said I will "pop quiz" a crew member? I was merely providing an example to someone who asked a question. If the situation I described were to happen then I would be running the QRH anyways. The only way that wouldn't happen, and there would be a "need" for me to quiz them, was if I were incapacitated. The my "quiz" would be "if I were incapacitated..." And I'd stop. Because, well, I don't care what you do if I'm incapacitated. Honorary check airman? Nah. They get used and abused and get asked too many dumb ass questions. That ain't my cup of tea. I just want to show up and operate the trip safely, as a crew (even if that means it's pretty much single pilot because he FO is a dumbass), and go home.

I'm well aware of what a crew is. Well aware of what CRM is and haven't had any issues with it. I'm not some baby 1 year wonder captain. Going on my 6th year. I've seen the good and bad. Luckily where I'm at now, it's been 98% good. Previous employer...not so bueno. But thanks for giving your two cents! I can honestly admit that I have already forgotten what you wrote, and won't look at it ever again.
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You're welcome
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JDean3204 said:
If you remember those examples by chance, send them my way. It will help cement my memory as to why it was not a good idea to use that logic. Other than the fact I embarrassed my self by admitting that on JC for everyone to snicker at ;)
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I'll look through my old training stuff when I get home. I always taught that altitude as the only way to check GS equipment. I know I used to use the ILS into KAST as an example. There is no localizer approach, but the ILS starts with an arc from the North or South. You head down the glide slope for quite a while before the FAF. I know I had some examples where they were pretty far apart. I'll let you know what I find.
 
B767 said:
Ok? My name is at the top of the release. FOM and SOP says captain is responsible for the flight (jointly with dispatch) and flight crew. When the average IOE is over 100 hours for new hires...yea I'm not going to assume the best.
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Average IOE is not over 100 hours. There are a couple outliers in each class going over 100, but definitely not the average.
 
Zondaracer said:
Average IOE is not over 100 hours. There are a couple outliers in each class going over 100, but definitely not the average.
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35-45 I would say is the average. Just because we are hiring a TON of people doesn't mean that they aren't good pilots. Sure every class has one or two that have troubles, but that is any airline.
 
B767 said:
Ok? My name is at the top of the release. FOM and SOP says captain is responsible for the flight
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B767 said:
He didn't want to listen to me. He wanted to deplane the pax in CRP when we got there even though I mentioned I just heard IAH was open. A quick gas and go. Mope he still wanted to deplane. Luckily the rampers said there were no gates to deplane at. It was at that point I realized I was ready to upgrade.
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You do realize the irony in your posts, right? Two people can see the same situation differently based on their previous experiences. This is where communication is key in determining the safest and best course of action. I'm sure the captain had his reasons for wanting to deplane. Did you ask him, or simply mention you "heard IAH was open"? Learning from your experience as an FO in this situation might be beneficial, and maybe even ask your FO's how they feel about your course of action during IROPS. Who knows, the dead weight in the right seat might have valuable input one of these days... Regardless of how many hours it took them to get the training wheels off the CRJ ;)
 
Autothrust Blue said:
More I think about it, the less and less appropriate I think it would ever be. I can't think of a scenario that would call for it, truth be told.
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One night I was going into Fresno and early in descent we got TAWS FAIL and GPWS FAIL status messages (it's been a while but I think those were the two.)

They're status messages so the QRH tells you essentially nothing.

The captain, who was clearly having a bad year/decade/whatever, quizzed me on what ramifications that would have on our approach and I said we won't have any terrain display or warnings so I'll make sure we stay at or above any altitudes that are published.

"Anything else?"

"I don't think so..."

"Okay."

I still managed to make a good landing despite the lack of altitude callouts, but when they didn't happen I definitely learned something that I now will remember. I still wish he had just told me rather than waiting to make me look foolish, which seemed to be his motive.

At any rate, quiz away, I'm happy to learn and definitely not too cool to get better.



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