SkyWest or Horizon?

elmetal said:
So no #yolo here?
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Meh. Most Captains don't do the YOLO thing. (To me, trying to "beat" the fuel is like trying to "beat" the low altitude record - it turns out you can only tie it, and the results are unfavorable.) We don't have fuel scores here like we did at Eagle either. It seemed like a ridiculous and even unsafe idea there.

By definition, MTOW - MZFW = fuel that you can take "for free" - that is, any weight over MZFW must be in the form of fuel out in the wings and you will NOT compromise payload for it. So, even for flight plan limited legs, 2000ish lbs is a good fuel number when they say anything less than 2,000. Usually the only time that we're less is out of Carlsbad, to LAX, on a clear sky day, through-fueled to have around 1,700lb for the way back. The airplane burns 1000-1200lb/hour (more down low going fast). MTOW in Carlsbad (always) and occasionally in San Diego is constrained by runway performance (25,500lb MTOW in CLD isn't uncommon), but nonetheless, the most limiting MTOW - MZFW = fuel you can take "for free."

This morning, the most limiting MTOW from San Diego to LAX was 26,290lb. 26,290 - 24,030 = 2,260lb (and so on).

(so why go with less? finessing the fuel on short-haul is something of a pointless exercise, and if anything goes pear-shaped, you're going to be in a minimum fuel situation in a hurry with some of the quoted figures.)
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Meh. Most Captains don't do the YOLO thing. (To me, trying to "beat" the fuel is like trying to "beat" the low altitude record - it turns out you can only tie it, and the results are unfavorable.) We don't have fuel scores here like we did at Eagle either. It seemed like a ridiculous and even unsafe idea there.

By definition, MTOW - MZFW = fuel that you can take "for free" - that is, any weight over MZFW must be in the form of fuel out in the wings and you will NOT compromise payload for it. So, even for flight plan limited legs, 2000ish lbs is a good fuel number when they say anything less than 2,000. Usually the only time that we're less is out of Carlsbad, to LAX, on a clear sky day, through-fueled to have around 1,700lb for the way back. The airplane burns 1000-1200lb/hour (more down low going fast). MTOW in Carlsbad (always) and occasionally in San Diego is constrained by runway performance (25,500lb MTOW in CLD isn't uncommon), but nonetheless, the most limiting MTOW - MZFW = fuel you can take "for free."

This morning, the most limiting MTOW from San Diego to LAX was 26,290lb. 26,290 - 24,030 = 2,260lb (and so on).

(so why go with less? finessing the fuel on short-haul is something of a pointless exercise, and if anything goes pear-shaped, you're going to be in a minimum fuel situation in a hurry with some of the quoted figures.)
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Makes sense. I was totes joking
 
A big binder clip on the bottom of a 1" works just fine (at least in the 170, which looks like it has the same chart holder) and is either free if you spy one laying around the chief pilot's desk or really cheap.

$19 is, like, a case of beer. :-)

elmetal said:
that's cool as f
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For you elmetal. The shuttle driver needed this in SLC, ...and a NASCAR contract, ey? See you in LGB. -DC
 

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Flight81 said:
The BRO definitely exposes weaknesses. Fun to fly though for sure!
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I am curious to how this aircraft has earned the label of being "unforgiving". I am fairly uneducated in any aircraft bigger than a seminole as far as flying goes :), but I used to work on turbo props in the military. Is it the old technology of the aircraft? I do know of one person that is getting ready to fly the Bro for Skywest and he said the amount of Flo's are quite extensive, I figured it is like that for everyone fresh into the 121 world though.
 
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