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That's my point. People get told, keep your nose clean, head held high. Plenty of people without accidents who don't get a call, yet a guy with an accident gets a call.
You can always find some excuse as to why someone was - or was not - hired.

Just say it. You want to know if the person was a DEI hire. We know you want to.

Does Derg pick up that phone and say hello Mr So and so, I’d like to invite you to Atlanta…

I got an invite, but chose not to go. If the regret is high with you, Frozen ya gotta let it goooo let it goooo
 
Because at that level, are sitting on a top perch.


At your Corporate shop, sub 50 pilots (?), yes I’d take your word on what you’re looking for and what it takes to get a call. Because chances are, you are calling directly.


But not a major with 14000+ pilots. Does Derg pick up that phone and say hello Mr So and so, I’d like to invite you to Atlanta…

Or wait. Is it an email? Ok, does derg send that email out himself, directly?


If he does not, he’s just another cog in that machine. Can provide guidance, pointers, etc, but unless he’s the one sending the emails out…

I think you get the point.

“Oh well, our system is proprietary, we, um, yeah”
I'm not talking about my experiences in hiring. I'm sitting on the sidelines watching you blatantly dismiss and ignore people who are directly involved in hiring 121 pilots at major airlines. True SME's.

Keep digging...
 
General observation…. How many people in this thread are or have been directly involved in the hiring of pilots at any level? For those that didn’t raise their hand and take issue with the process….Remind me again how you are so sure on how the process works?

I do that in the military

but no.....not in the airlines
 
Because at that level, are sitting on a top perch.


At your Corporate shop, sub 50 pilots (?), yes I’d take your word on what you’re looking for and what it takes to get a call. Because chances are, you are calling directly.


But not a major with 14000+ pilots. Does Derg pick up that phone and say hello Mr So and so, I’d like to invite you to Atlanta…

Or wait. Is it an email? Ok, does derg send that email out himself, directly?


If he does not, he’s just another cog in that machine. Can provide guidance, pointers, etc, but unless he’s the one sending the emails out…

I think you get the point.

“Oh well, our system is proprietary, we, um, yeah”

Dude, you're like an ex-girlfriend I've never dated. Get OFF me, man! :)

I know more than you do about the technicalities of hiring pilots, I do. It's not arrogant, it's the truth, but I "share" and buddy, no one else is doing that on the internet for free.

You already have employment, maybe you should "shut the front door" and let me help people. I can always stop and just become meta for people's grievances, but it won't affect change the way you think it will because the system will continue. Believe me, you WANT pilots involved in it unlike another major carrier were Talen Acquisition runs everything from soup-to-nuts and pilots have zero visibility in the system. And it's a BIG airline that does this too.

I never said the system was awesome or flawless. Far from it, but I can help people seeking help navigate the system. Harriett Tubman didn't solve slavery, but she helped people escape, right? I'm sure you would have bitched at her too.
 
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Dude, you're like an ex-girlfriend I've never dated. Get OFF me, man! :)

I know more than you do about the technicalities of hiring pilots, I do. It's not arrogant, it's the truth, but I "share" and buddy, no one else is doing that on the internet for free.

You already have employment, maybe you should "shut the front door" and let me help people. I can always stop and just become meta for people's grievances, but it won't affect change the way you think it will because the system will continue. Believe me, you WANT pilots involved in it unlike another major carrier were Talen Acquisition runs everything from soup-to-nuts and pilots have zero visibility in the system. And it's a BIG airline that does this too.

I never said the system was awesome or flawless. Far from it, but I can help people seeking help navigate the system. Rosa Parks didn't solve slavery, but she helped people escape, right? I'm sure you would have bitched at her too.


Can you prove it, send Acrofox an invitation for a DL interview. K thx bye :)
 
Can you prove it, send Acrofox an invitation for a DL interview. K thx bye :)

That's not how it works.

Additionally, adulthood means that I don't have to be performative to prove anything.

You probably were still in diapers at the time, but there was a time that some dude on Airliners.Net demanded that I upload a copy of my 727 Flight Engineer certificate because I p;rovided first-hand experiences that conflicted with his installation of Flight Sim.
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Sadly, hilariously? It's not a lot different almost 30 years later.

You don't need advice, stop standing in the way impeding the progress of those that do.
 
That's not how it works.

Additionally, adulthood means that I don't have to be performative to prove anything.

You probably were still in diapers at the time, but there was a time that some dude on Airliners.Net demanded that I upload a copy of my 727 Flight Engineer certificate because I p;rovided first-hand experiences that conflicted with his installation of Flight Sim.
"
Sadly, hilariously? It's not a lot different almost 30 years later.

You don't need advice, stop standing in the way impeding the progress of those that do.
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Direct from the California Science Center when I went there with the kiddos... Jesus... almost 10 years ago? AND... it's laminated on 100 lb cardstock.
 
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Direct from the California Science Center when I went there with the kiddos... Jesus... almost 10 years ago? AND... it's laminated on 100 lb cardstock.

What the... what is this?! I had no idea! This is like when someone said "you're the guy from the mural in DTW", WHAT?!

If that's real, I need some time to figure sh-- out.
 
What the... what is this?! I had no idea! This is like when someone said "you're the guy from the mural in DTW", WHAT?!

If that's real, I need some time to figure sh-- out.

I'm trying to remember exactly where it was... some activity room attached to one of the hands on exhibits. Maybe something having to do with airplanes? There were kids tables for coloring maybe... the only other picture(s) I took that day was of my daughter building an arch out of vinyl pillows... and one in the parking lot so I could remember where my car was. (By C1 apparently...)

But, yeah... it's real. I thought I posted it on here at some point, I guess not.
 
Dude, you're like an ex-girlfriend I've never dated. Get OFF me, man! :)


I never said the system was awesome or flawless. Far from it, but I can help people seeking help navigate the system. Rosa Parks didn't solve slavery, but she helped people escape, right? I'm sure you would have bitched at her too.
Maybe I missed the reference but Rosa Parks=busses, Harriet Tubman=Underground Railroad . Carry on!
 
I said this before when you were struggling in another thread Acrofox. It is totally okay to walk away from all this. I did it. Sometimes I wonder "what if I stayed," then I think about all the friends I've made, experiences I've had, and ways I have grown by my choice to leave. I am looking to get back, but that's less about "oh man I screwed up leaving" and more "I've done my time, I'd like to have some new experiences now, and I really like airplanes and travel." When I look back at the years I spent away, there are life events that occurred which would have been very difficult to handle if I was still an airline pilot. My mental health would have greatly suffered, just like yours seems to be. Admitting this career is not for you is not failure. It's simply admitting to yourself that another path is a better fit, and going out and discovering what that path is.

Flying airplanes is cool, but being healthy in body, mind, and spirit is cooler. Go find a career in something else that interests you and instruct part-time. You'll actually get to fly airplanes instead of pushing buttons, and you'll check that box for mentorship that you said you enjoy. I teach part-time and I find it very rewarding, although stressful at times. Let go of the "ego" of being an airline pilot like it's a brass ring that when obtained fulfills all the gaps in your life. I do not feel like less of a pilot because I fly a dirty-old Cessna 182 at my primary job. You'd be surprised how much stick-and-rudder skills and spatial awareness it takes to accomplish our mission. It is very rewarding in many ways.


View: https://youtu.be/dju5jr6raG8?si=J64AiaiuONsO8IZ8


When you have some time on a deadhead or an overnight, listen to Dale's podcasts linked above. He's in California/Nevada and says he's always in need of pilots that won't run off to the airlines. The job he does requires a lot of time away from home, but maybe it would be something that interests you. Maybe not. But it'll possibly help guide you to expand your mindset about what's available in aviation. The airlines and large-cabin corporate Part 91 are not the only games in town. Yes, you'll make less money... but I hardly break $100K a year, and I live very comfortably. In fact, if I were to get back into the majors and make 3x my current salary, I don't know what I'd do with all that money. I love my little house and my sub-3% mortgage. I'd probably donate a lot of it to K-9 non-profits we support. The point is, getting hired at one of the Big-Three and making $250K+ a year isn't suddenly going to fix all the underlying issues regarding happiness in this career. Step back, take a break, meditate, says some prayers to whatever deity you believe in (if any), and seek guidance to the right path. With time you will find it. I wish you the best of luck!
 
I said this before when you were struggling in another thread Acrofox. It is totally okay to walk away from all this. I did it. Sometimes I wonder "what if I stayed," then I think about all the friends I've made, experiences I've had, and ways I have grown by my choice to leave. I am looking to get back, but that's less about "oh man I screwed up leaving" and more "I've done my time, I'd like to have some new experiences now, and I really like airplanes and travel." When I look back at the years I spent away, there are life events that occurred which would have been very difficult to handle if I was still an airline pilot. My mental health would have greatly suffered, just like yours seems to be. Admitting this career is not for you is not failure. It's simply admitting to yourself that another path is a better fit, and going out and discovering what that path is.

Flying airplanes is cool, but being healthy in body, mind, and spirit is cooler. Go find a career in something else that interests you and instruct part-time. You'll actually get to fly airplanes instead of pushing buttons, and you'll check that box for mentorship that you said you enjoy. I teach part-time and I find it very rewarding, although stressful at times. Let go of the "ego" of being an airline pilot like it's a brass ring that when obtained fulfills all the gaps in your life. I do not feel like less of a pilot because I fly a dirty-old Cessna 182 at my primary job. You'd be surprised how much stick-and-rudder skills and spatial awareness it takes to accomplish our mission. It is very rewarding in many ways.


View: https://youtu.be/dju5jr6raG8?si=J64AiaiuONsO8IZ8


When you have some time on a deadhead or an overnight, listen to Dale's podcasts linked above. He's in California/Nevada and says he's always in need of pilots that won't run off to the airlines. The job he does requires a lot of time away from home, but maybe it would be something that interests you. Maybe not. But it'll possibly help guide you to expand your mindset about what's available in aviation. The airlines and large-cabin corporate Part 91 are not the only games in town. Yes, you'll make less money... but I hardly break $100K a year, and I live very comfortably. In fact, if I were to get back into the majors and make 3x my current salary, I don't know what I'd do with all that money. I love my little house and my sub-3% mortgage. I'd probably donate a lot of it to K-9 non-profits we support. The point is, getting hired at one of the Big-Three and making $250K+ a year isn't suddenly going to fix all the underlying issues regarding happiness in this career. Step back, take a break, meditate, says some prayers to whatever deity you believe in (if any), and seek guidance to the right path. With time you will find it. I wish you the best of luck!


I do have an app in with CalFire. I probably have too much airline stank on me at this point, though, unfortunately. I have family, so being on the road alone ten months out of the year doesn't work anymore. But flying tankers has been my dream job since I was 12. I wish there was a way to follow up on my app and say "hey, about this: I'm really interested in this." I did talk to a couple of CF pilots through my network who said it sounded like I'd be a good fit, but I don't know if there's anything else I can do but wait.

The thing is, I have more than a dozen apps out, and it's been radio silence on all of them.

I don't know what's wrong with my "brand," but whatever it is, I ain't selling.
 
Just because you don’t see the rhyme or reason doesn’t mean there isn’t one.

There is a person I know getting reprimanded for being thousands of miles away on short call whose only excuse to the office is “How do you know I couldn’t make it in two hours?”
 
There is a person I know getting reprimanded for being thousands of miles away on short call whose only excuse to the office is “How do you know I couldn’t make it in two hours?”
Follow on question then, how did they know he was thousands of miles away.
 
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