shuting down in FL???

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S*itload of PanAm'ers were visiting Ari last week...

Talked to one fellow who just left PanAm for Ari and he told me "Look, it's awful training, and they rape you up the a$$"...

That summed it up for me.



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FIRST mistake was walking out of Pan-Scams front door and in the front door of Scary-Ben. Should have kept driving north to FSA...


Dude,
relax on the "Scary-Ben" crap. Ari sucks.....seriously. Get a solid SOP, Syllabus, Checklists for the A/C, some good instructors, and oh yeah.....SOME DESCENT AIRPLANES and then maybe you can cut on Pan-Scam.

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if they had the finances to go full force at an FBO those pilots could easily show equal, if not better, results than as at an academy.

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IMHO..........

It COULD happen, but it is rare. I just flew with some new hires where I work. All three are from part 61 schools and have at least 300 dual given. They are terrible. Two were barely flying to private tollerances. I was actually wondering how they obtained a CFI certificate in the first place. It wasn't JUST the flight, they couldn't even give a simple breif either. None of the three even showed up with a "prepared" lesson plan....and it showed. I am certain two of the three will wash from our program.

I have attended both FBO-61 and 141 academy programs and I am willing to bet a hundred large that there isn't one 61 FBO school in the U.S. that has anywhere near the pass rate of Flight Safety. Maybe some other academy school like Pan-Scam, but not FSA.

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Get a solid SOP, Syllabus, Checklists for the A/C, some good instructors, and oh yeah.....SOME DESCENT AIRPLANES and then maybe you can cut on Pan-Scam.

ILS

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Just a question to you (and all the other flight safety students): Why do I see a flight line full of planes?

Yes, our planes are old, but kept up to the maintenance like everyother flight school. We just pay less.

It doesnt matter where you train, the airlines will look at you the same. (I didnt mean for that to ryme).

Yes, my spelling sucks, what do you expect from Hawaii edumacation.
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Get a solid SOP, Syllabus, Checklists for the A/C, some good instructors, and oh yeah.....SOME DESCENT AIRPLANES and then maybe you can cut on Pan-Scam.

ILS

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Just a question to you (and all the other flight safety students): Why do I see a flight line full of planes?

Yes, our planes are old, but kept up to the maintenance like everyother flight school. We just pay less.

It doesnt matter where you train, the airlines will look at you the same. (I didnt mean for that to ryme).

Yes, my spelling sucks, what do you expect from Hawaii edumacation.
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Just out of curiousity, what kind of maintenance schedule does AB operate on? Progressive or the Annual/100 hour?
 
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Just out of curiousity, what kind of maintenance schedule does AB operate on? Progressive or the Annual/100 hour?

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thats a stupid question. what do you think?

our duchess usually goes down for 100hr every 14 days.
 
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Just out of curiousity, what kind of maintenance schedule does AB operate on? Progressive or the Annual/100 hour?

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thats a stupid question. <snip>

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Why would that be a stupid question???
 
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Just out of curiousity, what kind of maintenance schedule does AB operate on? Progressive or the Annual/100 hour?

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thats a stupid question. <snip>

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Why would that be a stupid question???

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Because he's stupid and that's the only answer he could come up with.
 
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Aren't all airplanes progressive?

Something breaks you replace it? Until it comes time for the 100 hour/Annual? That is progressive maintenence.

I don't see how Ari sucks? Our airplanes fly and we get tested to the same standards EVERYONE else does...Our building is small, but its standing...besides we spend our time in the airplanes flying, so we don't need the tenis courts and beach volleyball that has become famous with Pan American International Flight Academy. Why doesn't Ari-Ben have GPS...hmm...Well since most of our training is IFR, we don't need GPS. Unlike ATP, who's students couldn't find themselves out of a paper bag without the 430, we are taught how to fly the airplane, not follow each pink line. As for PanAm who's students are spending 80 grand...go ahead over to FSA and spend the same...we'll stay here in FPR for 40 grand less...minus the GPS, thanks.

Our airplanes are old....so? They are maintained well. And that is true about FSA their ramp is always full, never flying...

lruppert, shut the f*uck up, you're an idiot, and you just come to these forums to piss people off. Grow up. It was a stupid question.
 
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Aren't all airplanes progressive?

Something breaks you replace it? Until it comes time for the 100 hour/Annual? That is progressive maintenence.

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No, there is actually a progressive maintenance program. It is not the same as 100 hour inspections.

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lruppert, shut the f*uck up, you're an idiot, and you just come to these forums to piss people off. Grow up. It was a stupid question.

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Nice language, kid.

I'll ask the same question I asked kailuaboy, "why would that be a stupid question?"
 
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"lruppert, shut the f*uck up, you're an idiot, and you just come to these forums to piss people off."

And to think someone took offense to me thinking New Yorkers have an attitude.
 
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Just out of curiousity, what kind of maintenance schedule does AB operate on? Progressive or the Annual/100 hour?

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thats a stupid question. what do you think?

our duchess usually goes down for 100hr every 14 days.

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So I take it neither you or SmittyB have any idea what a progressive maintenance schedule is? If you would like to know, you can look it up in your FAR/AIM.
 
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Gentlemen, knock off the personal attacks and vulgarity.

You know who you are.

Do I have to bring back full police prescence to the PanAm forums again?

This part of the forum always seems to be one or two steps away from martial law!
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lruppert, shut the f*uck up, you're an idiot, and you just come to these forums to piss people off. Grow up. It was a stupid question.


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In my mind, someone who calls out "that's a stupid question" when its not a stupid question, is in fact stupid. Kind of ironic don't you think....After both of your posts, it seems to me that both of you haven't a clue what progressive maintenance ispections are. Glad to see you two representing Ari in a positive manner.

Smitty, the reasons for my previous posts to you because they lacked backing. Your posts were so far off base it was amusing. You hadn't trained at any formal school, but time after time you kept bashing things you knew nothing about. Now that you're at Ari, I think you are getting "it" but don't think that Ari is the sell all for everyone.

Hope you guys have a great day

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Here at UND, we have progressive maintenance on all our aircraft. The warriors are on a 60 hour inspection period with 4 total periods. Four inspections make up an annual, which means the planes have an annual done every 240 hours.

Make sense?

If you dig deep into the Part 91 you will find a little bit about it.

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Okay, here's the way I see it. People that talk down about a school and throw around accusations without any kind of reason while calling other people's questions "stupid" and using vulgarities do nothing but cast a poor shadow for their own school. Based on the responses here, I wouldn't want to go to Ari Ben simply b/c I wouldn't want to be in the plane with you for more than 5 minutes. You guys are the future instructors there, act like it.

And the question was not stupid. 100 hour/annual is not progressive mx. Progressive mx is a totally different beast. So, which one does Ari use?
 
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Just a question to you (and all the other flight safety students): Why do I see a flight line full of planes?


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FSA actually has a pretty good enrollment compared to alot of other schools right now. What you are forgetting to take into acount is that Flight Safety has around 140 AIRCRAFT . When I was there it took 600 students enrolled to keep their ramp empty. Make sense?????


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Yes, our planes are old, but kept up to the maintenance like everyother flight school. We just pay less.

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Slow down soldier.... First, I have flown in "your" planes at ARI and I did not come back for the 100 hour multi time building program for a very specific reason.."CRAP PLANES". Second, just because they GET the 100 hour, doesn't mean they are worth flying. Sorry, but I have a wife and child to come home to.


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It doesnt matter where you train, the airlines will look at you the same. (I didnt mean for that to ryme).


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ANYONE, who says it doesn't matter where you train is slightly off. For most schools, your right. Now, I am not patting myself on the back and please do not think I am but, I have been told on check outs at least three times... "I can tell you are Flight Safety Trained". I do study my a$$ off, but, I owe a good percentage of my proficiency, ability to adapt quickly to new procedures and checklists, and my ability to work in a crew environment to the training I recieved at Flight Safety not the part 61 school where I did my PPL before attending FSA.

Good luck with your training. I hope everyone gets good training. I may have to fly with you someday
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Well since most of our training is IFR, we don't need GPS

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I will agree with that. Too many low time pilots use the GPS way too much and rely on it too much. It is a great tool but....I think they should spend more time flying instruments using the HSI/RMI/ADF etc. FSA disengages the auto pilot in all planes for the same reason. They want you proficent hand flying it. You have the rest of your career to "bug heading to 180 please"...

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go ahead over to FSA and spend the same...we'll stay here in FPR for 40 grand less...

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HUGE MISCONCEPTION....I finished FSA at around $40,000 through MEI and that included rent each month. Don't be fooled by the smaller part 61 BS of "we are cheaper because we only have to teach you to proficiency so it will save you money crap". Yes, some schools are out to rape you but FSA is definately not one of them.

Cheers...ILS
 
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"ANYONE, who says it doesn't matter where you train is slightly off."

It doesn't matter where you train.

FSA's connections might get you an early interview. Does that make you better than the average joe? Not in my opinion. Just means you paid the price to play the game. Some guy that does his training part 61 can be just as good a stick as you, all depends on his motivation and desire. Just cause ASA thinks you guys are all the rage only means FSA has a deal with ASA. Beyond the few connections your school provides, nobody looks beyond hours and ratings. Didn't we have this discussion a year ago? If FSA is so great, why haven't you moved on?
 
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It doesn't matter where you train.



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Alright Mr. I know everything....Get your run of the mill part 61, I did my PPL in 200 hours pilot and I will grab a 190 hour CIME FSA grad and we will do some spot landings, and instrument approaches and we will see who comes out on top. I know where I am putting my cash....

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Just means you paid the price to play the game

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I attended FSA for a hell of alot less than MOST pay for MOM and POP FBO training.

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Some guy that does his training part 61 can be just as good a stick as you, all depends on his motivation and desire.

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I will agree.........BUT IT IS VERY RARE. FBO schools do not teach the way FSA does whether you want to believe it or not.

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Beyond the few connections your school provides, nobody looks beyond hours and ratings.

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well, I was told when I applied for my job that they like hiring FSA and Riddle grads because they know we have a solid foundation with good training behind us. I didn't even meet their mins when I sent them my resume. The pilot recruiter kept emailing me every so many months to see if I was at the mins yet. I also happen to know a few pilot recruiters for 2 regionals and they both said when asked that yes....they do like seeing Flight Safety and Riddle on the resumes. Take two resumes with identical degrees, hours, and ratings. One from joe blow me FBO and one from FSA or Riddle. Who do you think is getting the call first? Oh yeah, you know everything and will probably say Joe blows right?

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If FSA is so great, why haven't you moved on?

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1) I am no longer at FSA....

2) I have MANY projects going on outside of being an IP. How many IP's do you know that can afford to buy a home on two acres in North Scottsdale, AZ. No, I am not bragging....just trying to give you a feel for where my priorities are right now.

3) When I obtain my ATP cert. in a few months I will look at my options and evaluate whether I should fly for the regionals, fly corporate, or simply continue to grow my holdings so I can buy my own Eclipse Jet...
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Now....A question for the man of JC.

Where did you get your training? Was it:
A) at Joe Blows FBO?
B) in the military?
OR
C) at an academy school like Pan-Scams where you got burned out of $200K?

I think it was at Joes FBO SIMPLY because you are so protective of Joe and so against some of the schools that actually have money behind them to employ some of the best Ex-Military and Airline Pilots to teach, mentor, and guide new pilots.

Do me a favor....since you have SOOOOOO much time to constantly get into spiffs with people on this site, take some of that free time of yours and head on down to FSA and go HAND fly some approaches in the Seminole with some of the students. They will probably kick your butt....
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Nice chatting with you again.....

Cheers

ILS
 
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Who do you think is getting the call first? Oh yeah, you know everything and will probably say Joe blows right?


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There is so much I could say to your post but I'm only going to respond to this.

The person getting the call first is the one with an internal recommendation, or someone the recruiter knows.
 
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"Where did you get your training?"

You can read my perspectives article at the home page of this website if you have any questions.

Spiffs? I only get into spiffs with scabs, PFJer's, and people who knock 61 training. I've seen too many of my friends make it as airline pilots who DIDN'T go the academy route to buy into the argument.
 
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