Rumor Mill: SkyWest mins lowered

bike21 said:
As I said in another thread, I am really bummed SKYW did this ATP thing. I was hoping our minimums would hold fast. Grrrr :mad:
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It's kind of like running a race and in the middle of the race they tell the guy that is 10 feet behind you that he only has to go 2/3 of the way and he is done where you still have to go all the way to the original finish line.

Just wondering, but what is the pass rate of ATP grads? I have never heard of one failing their 121 training.
 
Wow! This is news to me! So now the mins have been lowered to 850 and 100 for ATP? Interesting. I've always heard that SkyWest were hard on the 1000/100.

Neil
 
Timbuff10 said:
Just wondering, but what is the pass rate of ATP grads? I have never heard of one failing their 121 training.
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I would imagine that it's pretty good. But that's not the point. Part 121 training really isn't that hard... It's a lot of material, but a monkey could pass a ground school.

It's more about what they don't teach you in ground school that makes you a good pilot (and crew member) and IMO, one gains a lot from having a meaningful job in aviation before making the leap to 121.
 
ATP and SKYW had a smiliar deal like this before 9/11. It was taken away for obvious reason of pilot overages. Guys that were promised interviews after the program was taken away were honored. I don't know much else about it.
 
From how it was explained to me, that letter means nothing other then the fact that SWA will give them an interview, and since they are currently interviewing anyone from any training w/ the same qualifications, that's a pretty meaningless agreement.
 
TheWife said:
From how it was explained to me, that letter means nothing other then the fact that SWA will give them an interview, and since they are currently interviewing anyone from any training w/ the same qualifications, that's a pretty meaningless agreement.
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No it is signifigant because SKYW is known to stick to their mins and not lower them for anything. They were know to have integrity and not be a tree in a strong wind and go with the flow.

So that is what is at the heart of the matter.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
No it is signifigant because SKYW is known to stick to their mins and not lower them for anything. They were know to have integrity and not be a tree in a strong wind and go with the flow.

So that is what is at the heart of the matter.
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It is hard for me to attach the word integrity to an airline that pays $19 an hour to first year pilots...
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
No it is signifigant because SKYW is known to stick to their mins and not lower them for anything. They were know to have integrity and not be a tree in a strong wind and go with the flow.

So that is what is at the heart of the matter.
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But they are lowering them for everyone, not just ATP, so why would the agreement w/ ATP really matter? It's not really giving ATP a preference. It's just saying, if they meet the requirements, we'll give them an interview, just like anyone else that meets them.
 
E_Dawg said:
They haven't lowered anything, officially.
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Okay, so what is the deal? The published minimums are still set in stone at 1000/100. The question now is, are they accepting resumes down to 850/100 from anyone who meets those lower requirements?
 
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OK... this is my very first cross post ever... so go easy on me. This was in the Flight School forums... and I just got to reading here in the General Topics Forum for the first time in a week. It seemed pertinent to the current conversation here.

bike21 said:
I am not happy about my company joining this lowered mins crap. :mad:
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Captain_Bob said:
Um... yeah... because... it was sooo much better a few years ago when the mins were higher and no one was hiring at all... :eek:
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bike21 said:
Bob I'm not sure exactly what you are getting at, sorry. Maybe it's the heat outside. 100 in Denver today! (I know Phoenix guys, that's nothing but hot to me!)
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Yes... it is friggin' hot just about everywhere right now... On this 4-day I've been in OMA, BNA, and tommorow is BOI... no less than 95+ degrees and humid as heck each place... even BOI! :)

Bike... Not saying anything about any program... Your statement just rubbed me the wrong way a bit... right before my heat induced coma! :) I'm just looking at the alternative to the situation of our airlines offering lower Mins.

1. Stagnant Industy.
2. Less people travelling.
3. Stagnant seniority lists
4. VERY long Reserve sits.
5. VERY long Upgrade times.
6. Cost (financial and personal) to achieve that glorious first year FO position was higher, and more time involved.
7. Majors/Legacy's weren't hiring and were furloughing.
8. Economy not doing well.
9. Extended or non-existent contract negotiations.

This was just a few years ago guys... parts of it are still going on. Does everyone remember being on JC.com just 3-4 years ago and seeing the general attitude of the forum vs. now... people were still willing to help out us fledgling wannabe's with friendly advice... but there was always a hint of "if I had to to it all over again... I'd become a piano player in a brothel" in their tones. ;)

Everyone was looking for shortcuts... not $25K program type shortcuts... just something as simple as "any" flight instructing job where they could build time for several years. That was considered a shortcut. Many of those jobs were out there but you typically had to up and move somewhere remote to get them because the ones in the fairly large cities were saturated with "Senior" flight instructors who were pushing 2000 plus hours waiting for their chance, and they needed at least that many hours plus several LOR's, plus a ringer on the inside to get hired.

It has always been said that this industry is cyclical... no doubt it is very true. I'm just not a fan of the previous cycle... and am not too upset with the current one.

Bob
 
Instinct said:
Okay, so what is the deal? The published minimums are still set in stone at 1000/100. The question now is, are they accepting resumes down to 850/100 from anyone who meets those lower requirements?
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Yes.
 
So will Skywest's mins going down lower anyone elses mins?

You would think with Skywest being one of the best regionals out there everyone would be applying there thus making the rest of the regionals lower their mins so they can still get people right?
 
Good question, Tim, but I highly doubt it. The pilot market is still pretty balanced in that there are lots of eligible pilots out there and us folks up and coming are building our times fast. I doubt the minimums will get lowered by the other airlines.

Neil
 
SkyWest's pay is lagging a bit, particularly first-year pay. That's probably what's driving this.
 
SkyWest's pay is lagging a bit, particularly first-year pay. That's probably what's driving this
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First year pay is low, but after that it's better than average by far. I think their trouble getting enough people is based on their rapid expansion and needing to hire a TON of pilots. I've heard that groundschools are 70-80 people right now--for reference, Eagle (who has been hiring a lot as well) has only been getting 10-20 per class from what I hear. I think that SkyWest is still the best regional to work for by far, even with the low first-year pay.

-Zach (7/31/06 CRJ Skywest CRJ class)
 
70-80 is combining EMB and CRJ newhire classes. Divide that by two for a more accurate count of how many in one class.
 
70-80 is combining EMB and CRJ newhire classes. Divide that by two for a more accurate count of how many in one class.
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I know it's for both airplanes. And my 10-20 per class number for Eagle is for *all* of their aircraft--ATRrrrrrr, Saab, CRJ, and ERJ. I think SkyWest is still hiring a lot more than anyone else.
 
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Captain_Bob said:
Bike... Not saying anything about any program... Your statement just rubbed me the wrong way a bit... right before my heat induced coma! :) I'm just looking at the alternative to the situation of our airlines offering lower Mins.

1. Stagnant Industy.
2. Less people travelling.
3. Stagnant seniority lists
4. VERY long Reserve sits.
5. VERY long Upgrade times.
6. Cost (financial and personal) to achieve that glorious first year FO position was higher, and more time involved.
7. Majors/Legacy's weren't hiring and were furloughing.
8. Economy not doing well.
9. Extended or non-existent contract negotiations.
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Yep, I know what you are saying. I am still on reserve and still not at my base of choice and I am coming up on my 1 year anniversary date. Which isn't too big of a deal, but we are a company who is supposedly growing. I just had the unfortunate timing to be in the last class of big hiring boom. Now that we have new hire classes like mad, I should finally get what I want!

If we lower mins to pick up truly qualified folks, then that is fine. I just don't want us to head down the road of hiring 300 hour super FOs. Which I really do not see happening.

I hope you got over the heat! I did a 3 hour training ride on my bike on Friday and nearly fell over afterwards! :)
 
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