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FriendlySkies

FriendlySkies

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So, I was almost in an accident tonight from a King Air who took off in IFR but didn't get his clearance until 5000 feet! Came two miles from me and approach had to give me an immediate turn away. This isn't the first time and really getting sick of it. Couldn't find how to report this on the FAA website. Any help? Thanks
 
If you have a tail number you can file a report with the FSDO that serves your area. They have investigators that will look into these matters. They will pull the tapes from the tower and review them. I will caution you not to file a report unless you have a serious issue. These folks are very busy.

Joe
 
No offense, but from your story there doesn't seem to be much of a violation. If memory serves, he does not need to be IFR for another 13,000 feet. Sorry if you got the immediate traffic resolution from ATC. These things happen from time to time, come out to LA and San Diego, you'll get 2 a flight.
 
File a NASA form -- this is exactly the type of thing they were designed to cover.

However, I agree with others -- from what you described I don't see a problem unless he flew into IMC without an IFR clearance. Otherwise he's VFR, and in VMC you are both responsible to see and avoid.
 
Ive taken off and been proccupied with duties, be it pressurization/couldnt get on the freq to grab a clearance.

Hell, out west weve waiting to 15000 feet to grab clearances because you wont get radio contact till about then.

Thats why its called VFR though. I dont see any violations, just everyone needs to keep the ol eyeballs outside.
 
What do you mean, took off in IFR? He blasted off VFR into IMC? And 2 miles isn't that close, come on over to the Northeast. Heck even the other day here in FL we blasted off VFR to pickup our IFR and we had 2 airplanes within a couple miles of us. Sorry but the way you describe it, just doesn't sound like there were any rules broken.
 
As posted, I don't understand the violation either.

If you're going to file a complaint with the FAA make darn sure that a violation or infraction occured. Are you sure that you're not just a little upset at the inconvenience that you had to "make a turn"?

Also, if you file and the pilot is based at the same airport as you, don't be surpirsed if you turn around one night and see a Louisville sailing towards your head......................
 
FriendlySkies said:
So, I was almost in an accident tonight from a King Air who took off in IFR but didn't get his clearance until 5000 feet! Came two miles from me and approach had to give me an immediate turn away. This isn't the first time and really getting sick of it. Couldn't find how to report this on the FAA website. Any help? Thanks
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Sorry, what's the violation again?

If he was VFR then there was no loss of separation, and the operation of the aircraft wasn't careless or reckless, so...again, what's the violation?
 
FriendlySkies said:
So, I was almost in an accident tonight from a King Air who took off in IFR but didn't get his clearance until 5000 feet! Came two miles from me and approach had to give me an immediate turn away. This isn't the first time and really getting sick of it. Couldn't find how to report this on the FAA website. Any help? Thanks
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TWO Miles? REALLY, I MEAN REALLY??? Put it into context by considering how routine it is to fly under/over any aircraft with a vertical seperation of 1000 ft. Less than 1/4 mile seperation. I agree with spiramilibilis. Unwadith panties fromith va-jay-jay.
 
Nihon_Ni said:
File a NASA form -- this is exactly the type of thing they were designed to cover.
That's NOT exactly the thing NASA forms were designed for. The Feds only see those once the investigation has began.

However, I agree with others -- from what you described I don't see a problem unless he flew into IMC without an IFR clearance. Otherwise he's VFR, and in VMC you are both responsible to see and avoid.
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FriendlySkies said:
So, I was almost in an accident tonight from a King Air who took off in IFR but didn't get his clearance until 5000 feet! Came two miles from me and approach had to give me an immediate turn away. This isn't the first time and really getting sick of it. Couldn't find how to report this on the FAA website. Any help? Thanks
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Guys, I think what he is trying to say is that the King Air took off w/o a clnc into IMC, in spite of his poor choice of terminology in the OP.
 
KingAir said:
TWO Miles? REALLY, I MEAN REALLY??? Put it into context by considering how routine it is to fly under/over any aircraft with a vertical seperation of 1000 ft. Less than 1/4 mile seperation. I agree with spiramilibilis. Unwadith panties fromith va-jay-jay.
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LOL!!!
 
FriendlySkies said:
So, I was almost in an accident tonight from a King Air who took off in IFR but didn't get his clearance until 5000 feet! Came two miles from me and approach had to give me an immediate turn away. This isn't the first time and really getting sick of it. Couldn't find how to report this on the FAA website. Any help? Thanks
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Just remember, when you try and violate someone, it's a two edged sword you're swinging.. They're going to look at you as well..

I also hope all FAA tattle-tales suffer eternal jock itch..

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Guys, I think what he is trying to say is that the King Air took off w/o a clnc into IMC, in spite of his poor choice of terminology in the OP.
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How does he know what he took off in? Could have been clear and a million when the King Air departed.. ;)
 
If the dude was indeed IMC without a clearance in controlled airspace, it's a violation. Unfortunately for you, you'd have an awfully hard time proving that. Much as it sucks, usually the most you can do is tell him to watch where he's going over CTAF then go about your day and try not to be "that guy".
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
I immensely dislike people like you.
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Didn't think I had to explain since the question was how to report, and he has done this many, many, many, many times. It's not right and it bothers and freaks me out. I have put up with this for years and have had enough. But, for all of you assuming I'm just an ass, it was overcast at 1500, the tops were at 5200 MSL. Yes, he can legally take off VFR, BUT HE FLEW THROUGH SOLID CLOUDS DURING HIS VFR RULES BEFORE GETTING AN IFR CLEARANCE!!! Approach even complained to me about it! Does this help your attitudes?
 
FriendlySkies said:
Didn't think I had to explain since the question was how to report, and he has done this many, many, many, many times. It's not right and it bothers and freaks me out. I have put up with this for years and have had enough. But, for all of you assuming I'm just an ass, it was overcast at 1500, the tops were at 5200 MSL. Yes, he can legally take off VFR, BUT HE FLEW THROUGH SOLID CLOUDS DURING HIS VFR RULES BEFORE GETTING AN IFR CLEARANCE!!! Approach even complained to me about it! Does this help your attitudes?
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Remember, people can only go by what you post. So if you post incomplete info, thats all people have to go on. Make the post complete.

Still, its going to be difficult to prove he went IMC. And if TRACON is complaining about it, then THEY need to handle it, not you. As THEY are the FAA. How they'd be able to prove it would be interesting. Im not saying this guy isn't doing what you're saying or that you're wrong; Im just saying what Denzel Washington said in the movie Training Day: "Its not what you know, it's what you can prove." And that goes whether you report him, or the TRACON violates him.
 
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