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Ok children lets all calm down... I think you should do what you feel is right but I am in agreement with the others... People that cry to the FAA often times just shed a bad light on themselves... Its like calling crew scheduling or dispatch on your last leg of the last day of a trip, IF YOU DO IT YOU MAY GET SCREWED
 
FriendlySkies said:
You are very right, but I really didn't want to have to explain the entire story over again, I was just looking for an answer. I really didn't expect the attitudes and slander.
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Well...with an incomplete story, 134 posts (nobody really knows you), your desire to zap another pilot with the Feds...excuse us all for immediately not assuming you are both competent and correct in this and even going so far as to report the guy for you.
 
OP: We get many threads like this that are simply trolls.

If you are unfamiliar with the term consult this picture:
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In all seriousness, if you think you witnessed an aircraft being operated in a careless or reckless manner imminently hazardous to life or property that warrants an FAA investigation, look up the phone number for your local Flight Standards District Office. You may find Flight Standards is busy chasing people and operators who are straight up, no kidding dangerous, or doing things that are outright illegal. As well they should be.

boondr said:
NASA/ASRS forms are for the improvement of safety in the entire aviation system :wink:
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Totally. They're never filled out for the purpose of waiver of sanction. :crazy:

I like ASRS. If you mess up, you fess up. It's a component of a just culture. Allows us to say "Hey, I made a mistake, and I think some other pilot (controller, instructor, ...) out there might make it too," without fear that our livelihoods will be endangered. As Brenda Leigh Johnson says in the ads for The Closer...confession is good for the soul...
 
WacoFan said:
Well...with an incomplete story, 134 posts (nobody really knows you), your desire to zap another pilot with the Feds...excuse us all for immediately not assuming you are both competent and correct in this and even going so far as to report the guy for you.
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I know FriendlySkies ....... this is not the type of thing he would make up and I have been on the recieving end of such treatment (and I fly 121) if that offers any credit to his accusations... it is a growing trend in GA that is simply unacceptable and there have been quite a few of you that have copped an attitude with him about this incident. There.....I have backed my pony (as the saying goes) and have made my own accusations.... "ye who do not comprehend the fathom step away" brings to mind what I think...
 
Avalon781ML said:
I know FriendlySkies ....... this is not the type of thing he would make up and I have been on the recieving end of such treatment (and I fly 121) if that offers any credit to his accusations... it is a growing trend in GA that is simply unacceptable and there have been quite a few of you that have copped an attitude with him about this incident. There.....I have backed my pony (as the saying goes) and have made my own accusations.... "ye who do not comprehend the fathom step away" brings to mind what I think...
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Just to be clear - wasn't commenting on the validity of his tale - simply explaining why there was some amount of skepticism in the initial replies.
 
Avalon781ML said:
I know FriendlySkies ....... this is not the type of thing he would make up and I have been on the recieving end of such treatment (and I fly 121) if that offers any credit to his accusations... it is a growing trend in GA that is simply unacceptable and there have been quite a few of you that have copped an attitude with him about this incident. There.....I have backed my pony (as the saying goes) and have made my own accusations.... "ye who do not comprehend the fathom step away" brings to mind what I think...
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But as he describes, if TRACON is complaining about it, then THEY need to handle it......as it's already been reported to the FAA, in a matter of speaking.
 
Avalon781ML said:
I know FriendlySkies ....... this is not the type of thing he would make up and I have been on the recieving end of such treatment (and I fly 121) if that offers any credit to his accusations... it is a growing trend in GA that is simply unacceptable and there have been quite a few of you that have copped an attitude with him about this incident. There.....I have backed my pony (as the saying goes) and have made my own accusations.... "ye who do not comprehend the fathom step away" brings to mind what I think...
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Understood, but you can also understand how my troll detector has been wound up off scale positive, right? And I'm not advocating a policy of omertà in any way: aviation safety depends on the actors in the system being honest with themselves and one another.

MikeD's right - if TRACON witnessed a pilot deviation then the ball may commence rolling without further input from the OP.
 
MikeD said:
But as he describes, if TRACON is complaining about it, then THEY need to handle it......as it's already been reported to the FAA, in a matter of speaking.
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To be frank.... there are times when controllers CANNOT do anything unless a complaint is filed.... especially if the aircraft is "flying" under VFR... I have had multiple RA's that involved VFR traffic either not communicating or not maintaining their equipment (read altimeters/transponders)... typically speaking controllers have quite a bit on their plate and don't want to deal with the paperwork involved with following up with a supposed violation unless there is a complaint filed. The FAA can be as worthless as they are acutally helpful in these matters without outside assistance..... in reality though the controllers I have dealt with are fantastic in keeping me from running into other people.... there is my thought on the issue.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Understood, but you can also understand how my troll detector has been wound up off scale positive, right? And I'm not advocating a policy of omertà in any way: aviation safety depends on the actors in the system being honest with themselves and one another.

MikeD's right - if TRACON witnessed a pilot deviation then the ball may commence rolling without further input from the OP.
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I understand why you might get wound up... however a lot of cheaters exist in aviation today.... and a lot of "dealers" aka the FAA aren't always given a unbiased deck of cards to deal from...
 
WacoFan said:
Just to be clear - wasn't commenting on the validity of his tale - simply explaining why there was some amount of skepticism in the initial replies.
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Understood.... I read a lot of your work and understand how you operate.... you were stating fact.... I have no beef with you.
 
KingAir said:
I Don't think you guys know what the NASA form is for. The Feds never see these reports until an investigation is underway and the offender is called out on an incident, at which point the offender's NASA report can be referenced. You could report violations all day long on NASA forms and it wont get you anywhere with the FAA. Its two separate government bureaucracy's with no interconnect until letters are sent out and the investigations begin.
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And they're not SUPPOSED to interconnect. The purpose of the ASRS program is to promote SAFETY and NASA uses the reports to analyze, develop trends, and report on those trends.

The "get out of jail free" card aspect is simply intended as an incentive for people to input data into the system.
 
Hacker15e said:
And they're not SUPPOSED to interconnect. The purpose of the ASRS program is to promote SAFETY and NASA uses the reports to analyze, develop trends, and report on those trends.

The "get out of jail free" card aspect is simply intended as an incentive for people to input data into the system.
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+1.....
 
KingAir said:
I Don't think you guys know what the NASA form is for. The Feds never see these reports until an investigation is underway and the offender is called out on an incident, at which point the offender's NASA report can be referenced. You could report violations all day long on NASA forms and it wont get you anywhere with the FAA. Its two separate government bureaucracy's with no interconnect until letters are sent out and the investigations begin.
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I never said the NASA report was to report the violator. Write up whatever happened to CYA. I then went on to say call up the Tracon to become the tattle tale. sheesh.
 
Avalon781ML said:
Understood.... I read a lot of your work and understand how you operate.... you were stating fact.... I have no beef with you.
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I will also add that there have been threads (I'm sure you've seen them, perhaps not the OP) that have dealt with someone wanting to have someone violated over something trivial. That is mostly the default setting here at JC I think - that the "tattletales" are mostly hyper-sensitive Bozo's (becuase for the most part, they are). I will say that with this case though, I'd have a hard time faulting someone for reporting this or something if he did indeed launch into IMC without clearance - seems pretty bad. Worse than running over-square or LOP or something.
 
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