Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Well, Hannah didn't "handle" the pitch up, either. He woke up 9000ft later.
Reno race crash in front of grandstands
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Well, Hannah didn't "handle" the pitch up, either. He woke up 9000ft later.
Bandit_Driver
Gold Member
What ever happened to personal responsibility? People can there of their own free will and most likely there is a warning and disclaimer on the back of the ticket, the people knew and accepted the risk to watch the show. IMO, unless you can prove some party was negligent then suits shouldn't be entertained. The same crap has been going on for the last several years in sports by idiots getting hit by broken bats, pucks, and balls. If you don't want to accept the risk then stay at home and watch it on the TV.
I heard a brief report today that the plane may have had a mechanical problem as some of the video shows parts leaving the aircraft prior to the loss of control. Anyone else see or hear this?
I heard a brief report today that the plane may have had a mechanical problem as some of the video shows parts leaving the aircraft prior to the loss of control. Anyone else see or hear this?
Hacker15e
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I believe, in general, that is has to do with the experience and currency of pilots. The warbird community is facing the same issue: an increase in accidents that are directly attributable to pilot error.
There is still lots of debate about the root cause -- the last time I saw a group discussion of it was in the warbird fighter/trainer forums at OSH in 2010. The general consensus was that the high-time ex-military pilots who used to be the most experienced racer/warbird pilots and leaders/mentors in the community are all gone...and that something non-tangible in terms of judgment and airmanship has been lost with those pilots. Many current warbird pilots are not professional pilots, but businessmen who fly on the side.
None of that would have made a difference on Friday at Stead, as we're not talking about pilot error in that incident.
The other part -- probably more important in this case -- is that speeds in the races have increased dramatically over the last 20-30 years at Reno, and as speeds go up margins for error decrease.
RDoug
Well-Known Member
A trim tab came off. There's a photograph taken at the moment of separation, and another showing it missing.
Hacker15e
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The telemetry on board the Ghost, I'm told, recorded Gs well in excess of 10G with an abrupt onset. Even a 20-year-old athlete wouldn't handle that well -- no physical preparation to start an anti-G straining maneuver and no G-suit.
Hacker15e
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Current speculation amongst racers has it looking like the tab broke while still attached to the elevator, which caused the initial pitch up. That left side tab that came off during the ensuing high-G barrel roll was apparently not a tab at all, but a blank where the stock Mustang has an actual tab.
Tram
Well-Known Member
Yeh, if it was that much, you're right. Bummer, either way you slice it.
I hope this isn't the end of Reno.
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
A good personal friend did the telemetry for GG and several other aircraft at Reno. And from what I am hearing, nobody would be able to handle the instantaneous increase in G's.
If Jimmy had high blood pressure issues like most older adults maybe that would have helped him a bit. That is negligible and moot at this point.
If Jimmy had high blood pressure issues like most older adults maybe that would have helped him a bit. That is negligible and moot at this point.
I hope not either, but Im not optimistic for the reasons I posted before.
Tram
Well-Known Member
Yeh, me neither. I always hoped to get to race out there one day. I guess we'll see..
fholbert
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STORY HIGHLIGHTS
- NEW: The downed plane had video and data recording devices, a NTSB official says
- NEW: Some of the data was transmitted, and several memory cards have been found
- NEW: The pilot did not send a "Mayday" call, as had previously been reported
- More of the 9 people killed in Friday's crash were identified Sunday
Muff3n
Well-Known Member
It is absolutely ridiculous isn't it? I hate how the media just jumps all over everything. One thing that really irks me is they keep calling it an airSHOW. It is an airRACE. Hence the RACING that goes on. I really don't see how these people are smart enough to even get to work in the morning.
Mark815
Well-Known Member
It amazes me too. Any idiot on the street could report something to them, and they'll run with it. I really really hate the media
I absolutely hate the media. I used to watch the evening news every night, my parents always watched the CBS evening news, and I did too until about 10 years ago. I just couldn't deal with the sensationalism and DRAMA. I would much rather visit a wide variety of news organization websites and get a well-rounded, broad scope of what's going on than be spoon-fed what the network bigwigs think will bring in the most advertising revenue in 30 minutes every evening. I listen to what the mass media says about aviation topics, and how dramatized and sometimes wildly inaccurate it is, and I think to myself that if they're so off-base about aviation topics, and I know stuff about that, then they're probably just as off-base about every other topic too. So I try to get a wide spectrum of input when it comes to news, and not limit myself to 30 minutes a night from one major network.
And no, the Reno Air Races is not an air show, it's an air race. There is a most decided difference. I've been to the Reno races, twice, and I've been to more air shows than I can shake a stick at. They're very different.
tlewis95
I drive planes
Bingo.
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
The first ground lesson I had way back when, my instructor said: "Do not believe anything about aviation that you see on television." That advice as been pretty much spot on.
Tram
Well-Known Member
You know, it always makes me wonder how much of the other stuff they are waaaaay off base on..
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Well, according to every medical professional I've ever known well enough (or met drunk enough) to get the Straight Dope, it's pretty much the same deal. I'd sort of imagine such is true of any profession.
Flight Prof
New Member
This is exactly right. We know something about aviation and so we know how off base their comments are. Makes you mighty suspect about what they know about anything!