PUBNAT3
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BX172
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Why do I feel like the passing score was 85 and not 70? I understand the whole “well qual” and “qual” categories but in no way dose you test score reflect on how capable you are in performing this job. I spent over a year in Iraq as an 11B moreover, I had the lives of my men in my hands every time we left the FOB and I got them back every time but I got an 84.5. I guess what I am trying to say is that your test score dose not mean you are going to be the best ATC in the world it mean you know how to take a test or you guessed really well on the letter factory questions lmao. Congrats to everyone.
also i am not upset, I am happy with my score. I passed
also i am not upset, I am happy with my score. I passed
HonuPineapple
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BX172... maybe they will round up 84.5 to 85?
Rosstafari
Hello, this is Orlando mayor Buddy Dyer
A few things to think about...
1. The FAA wants to hire at least 1900 controllers in the upcoming fiscal year.
2. You're in the second application pool for that time period (I believe PUBNAT1 was last fiscal year; even if it wasn't, they're much further along in the process than the other OTS groups). Currently there are three groups behind ours, with many more likely to come. The FAA is in no position to decline qualified candidates, so being in the game early plays to our advantage.
3. Only 800 people applied to PUBNAT3. Based upon evidence here in the forums coming from cities across the country, it sounds like less than half of that group actually showed up to the AT-SAT. I'm guessing it's more like 30-40%, if that.
4. Out of those people, some won't even make it past this step. Remember that guy you saw at the test who didn't seem to really know what was going on or why he was there? Yeah, we're not going to be seeing him in OKC, along with many others like him.
5. Out of the group that clears the AT-SAT, plenty more will drop out between now and the remaining phases -- poor interviews, failed background checks, just not staying in this process for the long haul, whatever.
6. Finally, at every step in the process, you'll be better prepared than most anyone else in the room -- because you're taking the time to be here, to read what experienced controllers and others who've gone before you have to say and advise.
Put all that together and you're looking at someone who's got a pretty great shot at being in OKC. So don't throw in the towel just because you didn't come out with an ideal score on step two of a thousand-step long process. I think that'd be a huge mistake, if this is what you're really interested in doing.
BoomerSooner77
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SO... what I'd like to know is if only 800 people applied for PUBNAT3... how many of those have already done a PEPC from PUBNAT1 and already done GEOs from PUBNAT2? Something tells me the #### is about to hit the fan.
HonuPineapple
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Why would that be a bad thing?
BoomerSooner77
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Because in a couple years we'll be doing the job of two controllers because everyone's bailing already and they can't find newbies.
HonuPineapple
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I think of it this way. 17,000 new controllers over the next ten years, with us getting in now, is going to make for some excellent seniority someday.
BoomerSooner77
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I think you may be missing my point. They would LIKE to hire 17,000 but if this is any indication, they can't recruit enough... in other words... if they want 100 and only 75 apply... of those 75, 20 already are in the hiring process, that leaves 55 potential (not all will make it) of the 100 they MUST HAVE to meet staffing requirement.
I don't think I am explaining this right and I forecast staffing/recruiting needs for a living... SOMEONE JUMP IN, HELP ME OUT!
Ammolite
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I guess I am posting this here, because I don't know many others who would "get it". I'm still waiting for my Husband to come home, and he is the only one who can truly soothe me...
This score is devastating to me. I am a very grades-oriented person, and in this instance, I can not blame my own score on the test, or the content, because it was probably the most well-formatted and well-executed test I've ever taken. It was very fair, especially when I had JC and study materials beforehand.
I didn't have the heart to tell my family and friends that I missed the "well-qualified" mark by two points. I simply said I was qualified, and feigned happiness.
We may have a small group of applicants, and only a percentage of them showed/passed, but you know what? At the end of the day, someone with Vet's pref., aviation experience, 8 years more work history than I do, and a college degree are going to get the job before I do. Nevermind the fact that my geo. prefs. are so limited (only 2 facilities), and one of them has a whopping number of 15 controllers.
This score is devastating to me. I am a very grades-oriented person, and in this instance, I can not blame my own score on the test, or the content, because it was probably the most well-formatted and well-executed test I've ever taken. It was very fair, especially when I had JC and study materials beforehand.
I didn't have the heart to tell my family and friends that I missed the "well-qualified" mark by two points. I simply said I was qualified, and feigned happiness.
We may have a small group of applicants, and only a percentage of them showed/passed, but you know what? At the end of the day, someone with Vet's pref., aviation experience, 8 years more work history than I do, and a college degree are going to get the job before I do. Nevermind the fact that my geo. prefs. are so limited (only 2 facilities), and one of them has a whopping number of 15 controllers.
HonuPineapple
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I get what you're saying, but I don't think it will be an issue. They got their 1900 for the last fiscal year with no problem, according to another thread a while back. If you factor in the CTI and VRA applications, there are more people. And most announcements are bigger, even if there are a lot of re-applicants.
It may be an issue, but I'm not too worried.
I just want a job, and soon!
Why do I feel like the passing score was 85 and not 70? I understand the whole “well qual” and “qual” categories but in no way dose you test score reflect on how capable you are in performing this job. I spent over a year in Iraq as an 11B moreover, I had the lives of my men in my hands every time we left the FOB and I got them back every time but I got an 84.5. I guess what I am trying to say is that your test score dose not mean you are going to be the best ATC in the world it mean you know how to take a test or you guessed really well on the letter factory questions lmao. Congrats to everyone.
also i am not upset, I am happy with my score. I passed
Bro like you said the AT-SAT doesn't tell if someone is capable of doing a good job as a controller, it's an APTITUDE test, don't worry about it, you will be fine
esw2005
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At MEM PEPC I was told by HR that they processed 300 applicants at NYC and will do the same for MEM and Chicago, for a total of 900 applicants.
BoomerSooner77
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Okay... I put this together real quick... you want to look at the numbers in the bottom row... it assumes that applicants continue to drop with each announcement.
THESE NUMBER ARE ALL MADE UP AND ARE NOT FROM ANY RELIABLE SOURCE.
THESE NUMBER ARE ALL MADE UP AND ARE NOT FROM ANY RELIABLE SOURCE.
I know exactly what you're feeling. I missed w/q by 1 point (84), and I think I would have felt much better getting a 70. That 1 point thing is driving me crazy, and it's a crushing blow knowing I was so close. I know we're all grouped into the two categories, (w/q and q.), but I wonder if the panel can't see the numerical score as well. If not, what is the point in even telling us what our numerical score was. Just tell us q. or w/q. Also, let's say they pick all the w/q's and have to then go to the q's. If they can't see a numerical score, a guy that got a 70 could be picked above me...or 40 guys who got 70s, for that matter. I just don't see how that is even close to fairness, but, maybe they aren't worried about fairness. At any rate, I hope that if they get to the q's, there is some way they can see that I did 14 points better than the passing threshold. I can only hope....
Also, does anyone know if having a 4 year degree counts for anything? I'm wondering if it came down between 2 people in the same tier for a facility, and one had a degree and the other didn't, if that would sway them at all? I have one, so I'm hoping it will help me out, but it may be worth nothing in this process, who knows!
BX172
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I got a 84.5 so i know it suxs being so close but i am qualified and so are you.
ATC Hopeful
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Check my signature to see how the process for us 5/2ers has gone so far.
iflycessnas05
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It looks like it has taken an average of 1 to 4 weeks. There is no "set amount of time". Like everything else with this process, its when they get to it. I'm sure they have been a little overwhelmed.
Congrats to everyone who has done well!!!!