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Thanks for the class 2 medical info. Much appreciate it.
Let the good times roll
anic:
Pubnat 5/6
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Thanks for the class 2 medical info. Much appreciate it.
Let the good times roll
anic:
jermscentral
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From my HR rep and my security clearance person -- it's best to e-mail them back as a PDF file, because they're guaranteed to receive them. I tried to re-fax my SF86p signature pages twice to the security folks, and while I got a confirmation on my end, they never received it... I asked about e-mailing it, she told me that e-mail was preferred.
And you'll have to fill out the Airman certificate form again at the PEPC anyway, so don't worry too much about the class certificate you're going for.
jcpilot
Fly for show, vector for dough
This is what I ended up doing. Glad to hear that it's the preferred way to do things.
WoH
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You guys!...we've done the complaining before.
Seriously, go back and look at what happens every time emails go out.
3,000 applicants...something like 10% got selected for 5/6. That means 90% are in your boat. It sucks. Oh well. The process started quickly, got backed up, and slowed down. Now they are combining and hiring fewer to catch up. They are seemingly trying to start over in July and do it better. So we'll see.
Once someone even suggested a class action law suit against the FAA. We flamed him so bad they deleted the thread. The process is the process. If you don't like it, don't apply. If you want to play their game, you have to play by their rules.
Seriously, go back and look at what happens every time emails go out.
3,000 applicants...something like 10% got selected for 5/6. That means 90% are in your boat. It sucks. Oh well. The process started quickly, got backed up, and slowed down. Now they are combining and hiring fewer to catch up. They are seemingly trying to start over in July and do it better. So we'll see.
Once someone even suggested a class action law suit against the FAA. We flamed him so bad they deleted the thread. The process is the process. If you don't like it, don't apply. If you want to play their game, you have to play by their rules.
jcpilot
Fly for show, vector for dough
I did. Fortunately, my scanner will scan directly into the PDF format.
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dogleish99
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I just emailed mine, I put them in a PDF. Hopefully they will receive them.
According to the PEPC coordinator we are applying for a 1st class medical.
T.O. told some other people that if they selected the 2nd class medical box that they would need to fill out a duplicate form with the correct box(1st Class) checked and fax it/e-mail it as an amended/updated form
T.O. told some other people that if they selected the 2nd class medical box that they would need to fill out a duplicate form with the correct box(1st Class) checked and fax it/e-mail it as an amended/updated form
hudson26
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Hey Bigey,
Sorry to hear you havn't got the email... yet! Just throwing an idea out there, and please don't take this as a dig at you that's not my intent. Earlier in the thread you said you were 18 years old, yet you also have 4 years experience working full time as a general manager for a restaurant? I've worked on many "selection panels" in my previous jobs and if I saw this on a resume I would probably not spend too much time looking it over. How could a high school student be working full time as a general manager?? A 14 year old as the GM? I know lots of people who worked for family owned businesses who "fluffed" their experience, not saying you did that, just saying people who hire aren't naive.
I'm not trying to invalidate your work experience or anything like that, I'm just saying it may look a little odd to the person reviewing the resume when the numbers don't add up. Perhaps with 3 years of true full time work experience (in their eyes) things will move quicker. Maybe get a tour of a facility and get your name out there, there are plenty of people your age (or maybe a little bit older) here in OKC so it's not impossible...Or maybe your geo pref just didn't need many people, it's impossible to say for sure. Good luck man don't give up.
Bigey
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No hard feelings, ive usually had to explain the situation on more than a few attempts. As it is right now, im in the CTI program, and half way done with it (still being 18, i started school early). I wasnt a GM for all 4 years. I've had to earn my keep for the position i got. I started off as just a cashier. From there i started getting involved in the scheduling of the employees (all the time throughout highschool, i was working full time. I was in the work experience program and had to show my time cards). From scheduling i started taking over purchasing. I became a supervisor and then workers started reporting to me. From there on, i took on payroll duties and created our catering program (getting corporate accounts with local business offices, and creating events with schools to sell food and give a portion of profit towards their benefit). We're recognized with a bunch of the charities around here, and the sheriffs department. I've sacrificed alot of time, and potential nights out with the guys to party, and have ditched some social time to make the restaurant what it is today.
As it is now, i run the restaurant. The day to day operations of it, a large percentage of it lays in my hands. All the employees (not too many, about 8 [Paid, hired employees that is, we have 14 total with family and family friends] report to me. Vacation leave? Through me. Running late? They call me. Disciplinary action? Yeap, through me again. And i've the unfortunate task of having to fire 2 people. I have a lot of responsibility on my hands. My parents leave the restaurant pretty much in my hands. I'm not trying to toot my own horn here, really, i'm not at all. However, i do have a lot of blood, sweat, and tears involved with the restaurant (so cliche i know...). I'm not saying im the most qualified person, i'm probably the least, but i'm trying my damned hardest to prove myself.
So i'm not sure what "3 years of TRUE full time work experience" might mean, i believe i have quite a bit of work. Heck, i'm even trying to compliment that with a CTI degree on top of it!
And for the getting out and taking tours, thanks for the advice! I have been ACTIVELY seeking out tours and getting my name out there. I'm not saying much right now, because it's in the early stages, but an ATM has told me that they would like for me to work there and the how abouts of how i can go there. I'm hopefully going to do everything in my power to make it work out.
I'm definitely not going to give up on this career till i get it, and that's how i plan to keep it. I'm a year into it, and i'm going to do whatever it takes to get it.
However, i think it's unfair that you dont take much time looking into the person that has experience at a younger age. We have a line cook at the shop that i personally brought on, despite 0 experience and being young (16). Who would of thought his desire to "mess around in the kitchen" would prevail and he'd turn out to be amazingly efficient and consistent.
To top that, ask Maximillian how hard it was for me to show up for NJC'08. I had to grind teeth and beg for my dad to cover me for a 4 day trip. It's been instilled, you reap what you sow from a young age. Hopefully, the hiring boards might be able to see that.
dogleish99
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I put 2nd class medical, did anyone else also put this? I wonder if I need to fax another one.
Same here. I'm gonna fix it and fax it again on Monday.
bigshawnie
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well things in the process seam they have changed a bit because during the LA pepc medical the team told us we were applying to 2nd class.sorry for the confusion they must have just changed that
Same at the Chicago PEPC in March. They told us 2nd Class. Except we didn't have the option of turning it in early. We were just supposed to gather the info so we could have it when we needed to fill out the form again at the PEPC.
Zoesmom1020
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Ok I have a silly question...
In the email it has a section that says something like "terminal security clearance letter" and then it has info about the E-QIP. Does that mean that if we aren't terminal (i.e. ARTCC) we don't have to worry about that part?
In the email it has a section that says something like "terminal security clearance letter" and then it has info about the E-QIP. Does that mean that if we aren't terminal (i.e. ARTCC) we don't have to worry about that part?
I've personally seen inside contacts land three people jobs in largely competitive areas, without a substantial ATSAT score.
Land of Gold brings up some very important points, IF he were referring to a private sector job. Problem is, this is a public sector job. It's purposely set up, especially for those of of OTS, to be vanilla, black and white, or by the numbers. Personally, I did not realize you could tour facilities and actually meet people who are, virtually, a part of the hiring process. Taking initiative is one thing, but I'm sure there are many qualified applicants applying to positions that are four states over from where they live. "Networking" works, no doubt, but it shouldn't in the public sector. You can't quite take a tour of a precinct, come to know the sergeant, score decently on a civil service exam, and be extended an offer, to that precinct. You have to jump through far more hoops than that.
This is why I've been harping on a more extensive interview process, similar to other civil service positions.
The argument, "if you don't like it, don't apply" is so illogical, its not worth refuting. Also, since you seem versed on the FAA rules of potential employment, could you enlighten me for the next PUBNAT?
Thus far, and after a year, I've gathered several things. You know someone inside to get in. You can tour the facility and make contacts. To crush the ATSAT and be quite qualified, but not selected. Pick a facility that happens to be hiring at that particular PUBNAT.
Oh by the way, if you weren't selected, I feel you. But if you were, the statement, "It sucks. Oh well." is far from appropriate.