Pubnat 5/6

sestevens said:
So here's the next question: If you've been selected at the panel, how long until you hear about it? And then if you haven't, how long should you wait before giving up hope?
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Those who've been selected will receive an email containing notification of facility selection and an invitation to a PEPC. These emails should come out 2-6 weeks after panels finish. We should probably hear something around mid-May.

Those who weren't selected will not receive any type of email communication but will be notified that they were not selected via ASAP. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that one.)
 
n9088d said:
Those who've been selected will receive an email containing notification of facility selection and an invitation to a PEPC. These emails should come out 2-6 weeks after panels finish. We should probably hear something around mid-May.

Those who weren't selected will not receive any type of email communication but will be notified that they were not selected via ASAP. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that one.)
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Good up until the last part.

You will not be notified if not selected at all. You just dont hear anything back, while everyone else that are being selected, do.
 
Your ASAP will change to say another candidate has been selected

[FONT=&quot]Referral list FA-AAC-09-18018:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Issued on 01/08/2009 for the Throughout The Nation duty location at the FG-1 grade/payband.[/FONT]

  • [FONT=&quot]Another candidate has been selected for announcement # AAC-AMH-08-PUBNAT3-09613 for which you applied. We appreciate your interest in employment with the Federal Aviation Administration. Please continue to check the website for vacancies of interest to you.[/FONT]
ASAP for 5/6 will say your application is being reviewed by the office.
 
upstateNY said:
Your ASAP will change to say another candidate has been selected

[FONT=&quot]Referral list FA-AAC-09-18018:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Issued on 01/08/2009 for the Throughout The Nation duty location at the FG-1 grade/payband.[/FONT]

  • [FONT=&quot]Another candidate has been selected for announcement # AAC-AMH-08-PUBNAT3-09613 for which you applied. We appreciate your interest in employment with the Federal Aviation Administration. Please continue to check the website for vacancies of interest to you.[/FONT]
ASAP for 5/6 will say your application is being reviewed by the office.
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Well proven wrong i am!

I guess i was too discouraged to checkout my ASAP afterwards!:p
 
Bigey said:
Good up until the last part.

You will not be notified if not selected at all. You just dont hear anything back, while everyone else that are being selected, do.
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And does that last part suck. Nothing more discouraging than seeing all these people getting on and expressing their jubilation with receiving their notices while you sit and check your email every 5 minutes. :(
 
When they print off your application from ASAP, does it have updated stuff on there? Or is it just the straight application from when the announcement closed?
 
sixthman20 said:
When they print off your application from ASAP, does it have updated stuff on there? Or is it just the straight application from when the announcement closed?
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If you've updated it that is what they will have. They print them right before they are reviewed, so they should have the most current things you have inputted.
 
mbalunda said:
If you've updated it that is what they will have. They print them right before they are reviewed, so they should have the most current things you have inputted.
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That's good to hear. I've added some things since the announcement closed that should work in my favor and it's good to know they'll be able to see it.
 
mbalunda said:
If you've updated it that is what they will have. They print them right before they are reviewed, so they should have the most current things you have inputted.
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That can't be correct. There were several of us who somehow had our work history removed from the application and although it's on ASAP it wouldn't be allowed on the submitted application.

Once an application is complete, that info stays there. If you click on the review link that is associated with the application, that is what they will be printing out, and you'll notice that it doesn't include your updated information.
 
RdRunnr12 said:
That can't be correct. There were several of us who someone had our work history removed from the application and although it's on ASAP it wouldn't be allowed on the submitted application.

Once an application is complete, that info stays there. If you click on the review link that is associated with the application, that is what they will be printing out, and you'll notice that it doesn't include your updated information.
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Yeah, I wouldn't chance it. I left my job this month but I'm not going to update it in fear that something might get screwed up with my application like what happened during the geo prefs. Besides, they are making the decision in April and my job status didn't change until April.
 
RdRunnr12 said:
That can't be correct. There were several of us who someone had our work history removed from the application and although it's on ASAP it wouldn't be allowed on the submitted application.

Once an application is complete, that info stays there. If you click on the review link that is associated with the application, that is what they will be printing out, and you'll notice that it doesn't include your updated information.
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There's two parts that you can change on ASAP, and I think that's where the confusion is coming from. Some of it -- the stuff that is used universally across all apps, like personal info, job history, qualifications -- can be changed. The rest can't.

If it's a change for the positive -- say, you obtained a private pilot certificate since filling out the app -- I would send that information in an email to the person selecting for your area, so they'll know you're that much more desirable as a candidate for the facility you're trying to get in to. Of course, that's moving with the assumption that you've been playing your cards right and have done the work to track down your hoped-upon facility's district manager... because you're a hardworking go-getter who's going to be head and shoulders above the rest of the OTS crowd, right? You are on JC after all...

*cough*
 
You would think with a process this long they would go with the updated profiles. I mean, it's been almost 9 months since the announcement closed. A lot can be changed/added in 9 months. You could get a promotion that would help your chances, or even get fired.
 
swinte00 said:
I applied with 2 years of college coursework towards a Bachelors degree and 4 years of work experience (two of which were at an Arby's as a Crew Trainer) with no aviation background whatsoever. Not the most impressive application, but I still got selected.

It is for that reason that I believe the AT-SAT and Geo Prefs have a larger weight than aviation background or work experience.
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I would have to agree with this, except I would say the AT-SAT has the most significant effect on being hired.

My husband graduated CTI, was an Air Intercept Controller in the military, passed AT-SAT qualified, was offered LAX (there was confusion about his military experience; AIC, not ATC). At that time, there was no requesting change of facilities. He could not make it through LAX. (note to anyone being offered over level 10 facility, think through it HARD.)

Now he can only apply OTS. Was not picked up in Pubnat 1. We have little hope on 5 and 7. Though he has the degree and certifications (CTO) and military, in my opinion you are screwed unless you are well-qualified. Makes me a little bitter toward applicants who are being hired over him without the background he has. But that is my prob, not all of yours. ;)

Good luck to all of you.
 
I see what you are saying and I hope something works out for your husband, but there are those that are making it through to those level 10+ facilities that only had CTI experience and are doing just fine. Maybe his CTI/AIC experience didn't prepare him for as much as you'd think.
 
yea i would go under the assumption that they are not going to see your updated work history. what ever was on the application when it was submitted is what they will most likely see. if it was as simple as updating your work history me and rdrunnr would have been able to fix our problem by just updating our work history but no such luck.
 
I think someone earlier was right. There is a difference between updating your personal info and updating the application. The personal info is just for making it quicker to fill in an application because it already has that. However, I remember the application itself saying that you could change it all you wanted "UP TO THE CLOSING DATE". So once it's closed, that's what they see. Nothing more, nothing less.

All changing your work history does it make it quicker to fill out the next app.
 
-=Deniz=- said:
I see what you are saying and I hope something works out for your husband, but there are those that are making it through to those level 10+ facilities that only had CTI experience and are doing just fine. Maybe his CTI/AIC experience didn't prepare him for as much as you'd think.
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You're taking a big risk starting off at level 10+ terminal facilities. The washout rates are pretty bad, up to 80% at some places. There's a good reason that, pretty much across the board, the veterans have been advising applicants to start off somewhere smaller and work up -- the way that it was before the staffing crisis unfolded.

I'm not necessarily saying that if someone is offered a level 11 or 12 place they should turn it down, especially with how competitive the field can be, just that it'd be wise to not try to take on Chicago or Atlanta for a first location. The odds are against it being a successful situation.
 
So how exactly does one go about avoiding these facilities? From essentially everything I've read, you take what you're offered, or you take nothing.
 
sestevens said:
So how exactly does one go about avoiding these facilities? From essentially everything I've read, you take what you're offered, or you take nothing.
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Other than speaking to an ATM at a facility you want prior to the panels or trying to change facilities after you TOL there is no way to avoid it.

By the way. If you wash out of a 10+ facility and you haven't pissed anyone off, they aren't just going to fire you. They will move you to a smaller facility. Too much time and money has been spent on you by then to just let you go.
 
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